razastudio Posted August 16, 2011 Report Share Posted August 16, 2011 Hi! What's your IFB workflow when working on a fetature film? Do you have a receiver feeding the video village and another transmitter for the audio out so the director and script could hear the playback as well as the live feed? Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studiomprd Posted August 16, 2011 Report Share Posted August 16, 2011 a transmitter from the mixer feeding RX's which are assigned to those "needing" them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Wexler Posted August 16, 2011 Report Share Posted August 16, 2011 The general setup is as described above, but there are productions where key players (Director, Script, etc.) want to hear playback from video assist using the same headset they were wearing during the take. This is usually accomplished one of two ways: the sound mixer takes an audio feed FROM the Video Assist cart so when Video Assist is playing back a take you can send it out the same IFB (Comtek, Lectro, Zaxcom, etc.) transmitter you are using during the take. The other way is to have the IFB transmitter on the Video Assist cart rather than the sound cart. Then, during the take your audio is heard in the headphones and when Video Assist plays back the take, that audio is heard. I personally do not like this setup because it relies on Video Assist operator/cart to be up and running for anyone to hear anything in their headphones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundtrane Posted August 16, 2011 Report Share Posted August 16, 2011 Main recorder/Mixer -> IFB tx (One or Two). I have two Tx - one for all including vid village and the second one for boom op feeds. On the Cantar, easy to talk to Ch1/Ch2 or both. -vin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Blankenship Posted August 16, 2011 Report Share Posted August 16, 2011 I use three IFB transmitters, one for the villagers, one for production (director, script super, etc.) and one for boom. On a widely separated set, I'll sometimes locate the village transmitter on the video assist cart, and since I'm usually a bit closer to the action, the production and boom op transmitters stay on my cart. When working with film I can send two audio feeds and receive two video feeds via CAT5e to/from the VA cart. When working with hi-def, VA will often get the audio via the HD-SDI connection directly from camera. They can then send either that feed or a playback feed to the villagers via my transmitter. From my cart, I send whatever production feed is necessary to the production team. On smaller productions, it varies widely and is often different with each gig. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPSharman Posted August 17, 2011 Report Share Posted August 17, 2011 I have one set of Comteks for my boom ops and one set for anyone else. The only feature I have done with video assist was the movie I did with Renny Harlin. He wasn't interested in seeing much back. If he was going to spend the time to watch it, he would just rather do another take. He was also masterful at watching several monitors and knowing every piece he needed and whether he got it or not. But I sent an audio feed via cable to the VA guy, and playback occurred only at his station, when required. The audio played through his built-in speakers. Not optimal, but nobody was really listening. They were really just watching stunts and effects, etc. Other shows I have done were either film with no VA operator or HD, to which I did not run audio. Any playback was purely a quick technical check, which required no audio. When I was a video assist guy, my experience was only playing back through a speaker at the monitors, or a "private" playback at my cart. I never had a mixer put a transmitter on my cart, and I never sent a return feed. But my experience in that field was somewhat limited, and much of that experience was with stunts and visual effect units. Robert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthias Richter Posted August 17, 2011 Report Share Posted August 17, 2011 problem with a speaker at video village is that they don´t have an "audio on playback only" option. So you have to rely on the operator to kill the volume when in live view and on takes. I have a small headphone amp with 5 outputs. That gets the output from the video and playback can be checked by up to 5 people simultaneously at video village using (their comtek) headphones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Wexler Posted August 17, 2011 Report Share Posted August 17, 2011 problem with a speaker at video village is that they don´t have an "audio on playback only" option. Not so. Many of the proper Video Assist rigs are configured so that the speaker is only active on playback (still under manual control by the Video Assist operator since there are times when they may want the speaker "live" even during a take, providing there isn't any feedback problem). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthias Richter Posted August 17, 2011 Report Share Posted August 17, 2011 might be the difference between LA and German telly? ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg sextro Posted August 17, 2011 Report Share Posted August 17, 2011 I use three IFB transmitters, one for the villagers, one for production (director, script super, etc.) and one for boom. On a widely separated set, I'll sometimes locate the village transmitter on the video assist cart, and since I'm usually a bit closer to the action, the production and boom op transmitters stay on my cart. John, What's different between your feed for villagers and the feed for director/scripty? -Greg- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Blankenship Posted August 17, 2011 Report Share Posted August 17, 2011 John, What's different between your feed for villagers and the feed for director/scripty? Usually no difference, but having two separate systems means that if the village is located a long way from the shooting, they can have a transmitter that is nearer to them and the production team can have another that is nearer to the action. Also, if desired, video assist can route the signal through the VA system and be able to play back through the villagers headphones. Then, I've had occasions where the director wanted the village feed killed whenever the camera was not running. I have a kill switch on the cart control panel that can easily accomplish this and can even send mp3 playback through the cans so I don't have to field the inevitable, "my headphones aren't working" whines in between takes or during setup. Speaking of variations, on one production I had a director who didn't like Comtek feeds and wanted a direct headphone line from the board. For that I made (and now carry) a couple of adapters: a phone to XLR adapter for the mixer end and an XLR to phone adapter for the director's end. This allows me to use microphone cable for a run to the director. By using these adapters, I don't have to carry extra headphone cables. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhyOne Posted August 17, 2011 Report Share Posted August 17, 2011 For most normal circumstances, without a video assist, transmitting Program to the village on a TR-4 (with the capability of digital delay for HD shows), transmitting an Aux mix to the sound team on a second TR-4. For Video Assist, I use a Mux 2A 2V balun set-up to receive two video feeds from the cameras, I send Program to the assist on one channel, receive his E/E feed back to me on the other. Provided the E/E feed is clean, I'll feed the return to the village transmitter. Any playback goes directly to all village headsets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis Kersten Posted August 19, 2011 Report Share Posted August 19, 2011 I always offer (on commercials) to install and rent playback ifb (wireless) to production and they always say that they want it but on set it never gets used for playback. So only mixer out ifb would be ok in most situation. But it's just for the moment that someone asks if there is playback... Never experienced it so far... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan H. Chang Posted September 8, 2011 Report Share Posted September 8, 2011 Private lines to my booms, 4 memory banks Sound cart Lectro IFB > Boom Op #1, R1a Freq 1 of 4 Sound cart Lectro IFB > Boom Op #2, R1a Freq 2 of 4 Program feed, 2 memory banks Sound Cart Lectro IFB > Dir/Prod/Scripty, R1a Freq 3 of 2 Video playback, 2 memory banks Video Village Lectro IFB > Dir/Prod/Scripty, R1a Freq 4 of 2 This way the Dir/Prod/Scripty could hear what I'm sending out to VidVillage as well as VidPB with a click, but not my booms. My team could hear anything they want with a click on their R1a. Wireless or cable to VidVill depends on location. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark LeBlanc Posted September 8, 2011 Report Share Posted September 8, 2011 Haven't had to do video playback yet, but here's my setup. 788t output 1 to Public Comtek (Director, Scripty and two other receivers), Output 2 to camera feed if needed, Output 3 goes to a audio/video Balun which is hardwired to the village connected to a Consumer Sennheiser Wireless Audio system(Actually sounds better than the Comtek feed). Output 4 is to Boom boom comtek. Have two more outputs can be used for Boom Boom 2 or other use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan McL Posted October 9, 2011 Report Share Posted October 9, 2011 Had no idea that there were so many lovely options to consider for audio feeds. Look forward to implementing 'em as needed in due course. My setup is thus: From an AD255, Aux 1 (private line) --> ifb100 and Lectro T-4 From same mixer, Aux 2 (public line) --> Comtek M216 An additional M216 ready to take and send anything, likely simple mood playback -- Jan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S Harber Posted October 15, 2011 Report Share Posted October 15, 2011 I send an IFB feed to my sound dept. friends. Video village/driector etc. gets a feed via a Comtek 216/BST. This is fed from a balun system that is looped via video asst. I send audio to video assst. and then get the return from him and feed that into a comtek. This way when they go into playback mode I don't have to bring up the return feed to put PB into the headphones. Easy to setup on the 01V96 but can eat up inputs etc on smaller rigs. I have 3 versions of talking. 1-PL goes to IFBs only 2-Slate which goes to IFB/Video Village/Mix Track 3-Village Only so I can talk to PL and Village and not go to mix track (ie say this is not usable) Scott Harber CAS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisnewton Posted October 15, 2011 Report Share Posted October 15, 2011 anybody using embedded SDI audio for IFB use in video village (requires scratch track to camera of course)? chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philip Perkins Posted October 16, 2011 Report Share Posted October 16, 2011 anybody using embedded SDI audio for IFB use in video village (requires scratch track to camera of course)? chris Yes, if they are cabled up that way. (Audio goes to village monitor speaker from the camera.) This is usually only done on a stage, but it does eliminate the need for an audio delay in a line coming directly from me (or Comteks). phil p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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