Diego Sanchez Posted September 23, 2011 Report Posted September 23, 2011 I'm buying a new mic. I need a short very directional mic, and have norrowed it down to 3. I want to know what people think of them and which one would you recommend. It is between Sennheiser MKH50, Sennheiser MKH8060 and the Sanken CS-3e. Any coment will be great. Quote
David Levine Posted September 23, 2011 Report Posted September 23, 2011 The CS-3e is my go-to mic. It's one of the most directional mics I've used, and unlike most shotguns on the market it sounds good indoors. Not to nit-pick, but two of the mics you've listed (mkh8060 and CS-3e) are shotguns, not hypercardiods. The functional difference is a shotgun is also sensitive at the rear, and tends to pick up reflections when used in doors. Just my two cents. David L Quote
Eric Toline Posted September 23, 2011 Report Posted September 23, 2011 Sennheiser MKH 50, not the 8050. Have the former tried the latter, preferred the former. YMMV. Eric Quote
John Blankenship Posted September 23, 2011 Report Posted September 23, 2011 ...The CS-3e is my go-to mic. It's one of the most directional mics I've used, and unlike most shotguns on the market it sounds good Not to nit-pick, but two of the mics you've listed (mkh8060 and CS-3e) are shotguns, not hypercardiods. The functional difference is a shotgun is also sensitive at the rear, and tends to pick up reflections when used in doors... Since we're nitpicking a bit, a hypercardioid also typically has a rear lobe with its maximum rejection at about 120 degrees, rather than the 180 degrees of a cardioid. It's the smoother off-axis response (depending upon the mic, of course) that makes a cardioid or hyper-cardioid much better in reverberant spaces. Off-axis, most shotguns usually have much less linear low ends. Quote
Olle Sjostrom Posted September 23, 2011 Report Posted September 23, 2011 +1 for MKH50. Superb mic. Not for exteriors though... I like it cus it looks good, it's small, it sounds amazing and it's steady as a rock. Never had any issues with it. Except of course when they fall to the ground... Quote
old school Posted September 23, 2011 Report Posted September 23, 2011 Schoeps hypercardioid is better than your stated choices IMO. CrewC Quote
Diego Sanchez Posted September 23, 2011 Author Report Posted September 23, 2011 Thanks guys. No wonder the confusion. I actually meant the Sanken CS-1e, not the 3e. I’m after a directional short mic, and these 3 are all less than 180mm. Quote
Diego Sanchez Posted September 23, 2011 Author Report Posted September 23, 2011 CrewC, i do love Shoeps. WWhich one are you recomending? Quote
resonate Posted September 23, 2011 Report Posted September 23, 2011 "the best" hyper for me is a schoeps mk41. some people may prefer mkh 50, i didn't. Quote
VM Posted September 23, 2011 Report Posted September 23, 2011 Sen MKH 50,Neumann KM150, Schoeps MK41 are all good ! The shortest is the Neumann. The best .... it depends. ;-) My best is the Schoeps but sometimes I miss the Neumann. Quote
studiomprd Posted September 23, 2011 Report Posted September 23, 2011 These are all excellent mic's, and there is no one of them that is best! your choice will ultimately be subjective, and personal, so figure out a way to try them all before you buy one. If you have established a relationship and reputation with one of our "usual suspects", professional production sound dealers, (or other mixers who own these) you should be able to work something out. The good news is that you have no incorrect choices, though it would be helpfil for you to read up on the differences (acoustic designs) of cardioid/hypercardioid/supercardioid mic's vs. interference tube (aka shotgun) type mic's. Quote
Olle Sjostrom Posted September 23, 2011 Report Posted September 23, 2011 Schoeps also sports a swivel for those extra tight ceiling situations. Groovy mic. Quote
old school Posted September 23, 2011 Report Posted September 23, 2011 "the best" hyper for me is a schoeps mk41. some people may prefer mkh 50, i didn't. +1 As The Senator points out, they are all good. CrewC Welcome back Mike. Quote
Jim Gilchrist Posted September 23, 2011 Report Posted September 23, 2011 Sen MKH 50,Neumann KM150, Schoeps MK41 are all good ! The shortest is the Neumann. The best .... it depends. ;-) My best is the Schoeps but sometimes I miss the Neumann. The shortest is probably really the Schoeps CCM41 at about 2.3" without the connector. Not necessarily a good choice for everybody but a great mic nonetheless. The MKH 50, KM 150 and Schoeps amp of your choice with a Mk 41 capsule are all great choices. Best regards, Jim Quote
Eric Toline Posted September 23, 2011 Report Posted September 23, 2011 +1 for MKH50. Superb mic. Not for exteriors though... I like it cus it looks good, it's small, it sounds amazing and it's steady as a rock. Never had any issues with it. Except of course when they fall to the ground... I beg to differ about the MKH 50 for exteriors. I use a BBG & a Furry cover for mine and have no problems within the 50's working distance which I find to be a bit more than the Schoeps 641. Eric Quote
Olle Sjostrom Posted September 23, 2011 Report Posted September 23, 2011 I beg to differ about the MKH 50 for exteriors. I use a BBG & a Furry cover for mine and have no problems within the 50's working distance which I find to be a bit more than the Schoeps 641. Eric Yeah it works alright I just think there are other mics that sound better on exterior work... But then again, it's a matter of taste and occasion. Mkh50 is a splendid mic for allround work. Quote
jonathan chiles Posted September 23, 2011 Report Posted September 23, 2011 Agreed, MKH50 has slightly more reach than the Schoeps MK41 and both can be used outdoors, nice if you have a quiet location and can get close enough! Quote
BVS Posted September 23, 2011 Report Posted September 23, 2011 Do A/B comparisons with them until you find the one that suits you. I made my choice a long time ago. BVS Quote
Glen Trew Posted September 24, 2011 Report Posted September 24, 2011 Agreed, MKH50 has slightly more reach than the Schoeps MK41 and both can be used outdoors, nice if you have a quiet location and can get close enough! I'm glad it is pointed out that the MKH50 (and thus, the MKH8050) has a tighter pattern than the Schoeps MK41 capsule. But this tighter pattern comes at the expense of a harsher corner between on-axis and off-axis, which is not what the Schoeps MK41 is known for. The MKH40 (and thus, the MKH8040) is nearly identical to the Schoeps MK41 pattern, which is why I prefer it for boom work over the MKH50. For the majority of interior boom work, I believe the Sennheiser MKH40 (and, thus, the MKH8040) is a better choice than the MKH50. Glen Trew Quote
RPSharman Posted September 24, 2011 Report Posted September 24, 2011 +1 for MKH50. Superb mic. Not for exteriors though... I like it cus it looks good, it's small, it sounds amazing and it's steady as a rock. Never had any issues with it. Except of course when they fall to the ground... I will also beg to differ about the 50 outside. We had over an 11 page exterior day yesterday, recorded exclusively with one or two 50s. It was beautiful, including a big wide master with 5' of headroom. Granted, it was quiet with soft ground underfoot, and the mic was aimed perfectly by a skilled boom operator. I use the 50 outside regularly. Quote
Olle Sjostrom Posted September 24, 2011 Report Posted September 24, 2011 I forgot to mention have to admit, my exterior experience with the 50 is limited to noisy environments and wide shots. Anyway, this has led me to only use the CMIT 5U outside and therefore I have the sort of built in hesitation towards using the 50s outside, even on nice and quiet sets. And I'm a Schoeps guy Quote
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