Michael Miramontes Posted November 24, 2011 Report Share Posted November 24, 2011 I was thinking of getting a SD mix-pre to feed audio to the cameras straight from my SD 552. Before I spent the money I wanted to know if this is a good option or if you guys recommend another setup. Any info would help. Thanks, Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VASI Posted November 24, 2011 Report Share Posted November 24, 2011 Many DSLR users, record the sound on the ZOOM H4n. My opinion record the audio from your SD 552 and synchronise audio to the post production. Best regards Vasileios Alexandris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Miramontes Posted November 24, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 24, 2011 So far I've been having post sync the audio. Now they are wanting to feed direct to camera since most of the footage needs to be out later that night or the next day. That have a very quick turn around time so any time saving shortcuts are welcome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael McQueen Posted November 24, 2011 Report Share Posted November 24, 2011 if you need to go straight to camera, the sd mixpre-d is the best option. but still on the 7d you cannot turn off the auto gain control of the audio. the 5d and 60d you can set the audio to manual. thats half the reason i sold my 7d and got a 60d, but i have one of those beachtek boxes and wish i would have got mixpre-d instead... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris McCallum Posted November 24, 2011 Report Share Posted November 24, 2011 I find the easiest way to do this is to use a Sennheiser ENG 100 G3 transmitter out of my mixer and send to a receiver hot shoe mounted on the 5D. Feed -10 to the transmitter, -24 out of the receiver and set the level on the 5D accordingly I still do a back-up record of the audio just in case! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael McQueen Posted November 25, 2011 Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 if i'm doing sound for a dslr shoot i do what chris does, but that just does a mono send. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Radlauer Posted November 25, 2011 Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 +1 for Chris's suggestion...Quick and easy and less gear for a DP to have to see in his face. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Miramontes Posted November 25, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 So, you guys think I should invest in some more G3's instead of a MixPre or MM1? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDirckze Posted November 25, 2011 Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 I just did 11 weeks with a 5D and our solution was to send a scratch feed via a LMa/UM100, plus a Lockit jammed from our 788T feeding TC to the other channel using a Lockit Buddy. A bit more fiddly than just a G2/G3, but AFAIK the post process was flawless... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Toline Posted November 25, 2011 Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 Wireless hop to the camera for a temp scratch & Pluraleyes for producion sound sync. Simple, uncomplicated and works. No Tc needed. Dumb slate does the job. Eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmassey Posted November 25, 2011 Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 Dumb slate or my trusty old PSC blooplight. Used it Monday of this week on an intense 6 hours 5D shoot. We almost never stopped rolling, so blooped at the head of each CF card on the camera and off we went. But so far report from post is all is good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BradTheSoundGuy Posted November 25, 2011 Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 I had a couple of cables made up. Couldn't tell you the exact wiring, as I left it to my guy who knows his stuff...but it takes the balanced out's of my 552, Y cable to a single XLRM (with left on one of the pins, right on the other), then I use a normal XLR with another specially made cable on the end - XLRF to 3.5mm TRS. Feeds an unbalanced stereo signal to the camera and I mostly only ever use it for sit down interview type stuff. Run and gun this would probably be clunky at best. Looking at the price of the G3 100 series stuff tho has me thinking maybe it's time to give Sennheiser some of my money... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Wielage Posted November 25, 2011 Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 if you need to go straight to camera, the sd mixpre-d is the best option. but still on the 7d you cannot turn off the auto gain control of the audio. You can force the automatic gain off on the 7D by using the Beachtek DXA-5Da. It sends an ultrasonic signal out to "fool" the AGC to allow a passable dynamic range to get through. It's still not great audio, but it's better than the default. I still record audio on CF cards, and I'll put up a fight if the client wants to try to actually use the audio on a 5D or a 7D. --Marc W. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristotle_kumpis Posted November 25, 2011 Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 I agree with most of the others. Why spend money on something that you know post is going to not even use? I don't think anyone has used my audio that goes into these cameras. I just use a padded cable and a G3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Wielage Posted November 25, 2011 Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 Eh, the Beachtek box was only a couple of hundred bucks. I just can't stand the autogain sound of the 7D. I know that Pluraleyes works better, the better the sound quality is on the camera side. --Marc W. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Miramontes Posted November 25, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 How about reversing the flow of info and having the camera feed sent to me and recording both audio/video to one of these? http://www.sounddevices.com/products/pix.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris McCallum Posted November 25, 2011 Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 The only downside to that Michael is that the DP has to switch off any on-screen menus he is using as these transfer with the HDMI signal to the recorder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Miramontes Posted November 25, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 The only downside to that Michael is that the DP has to switch off any on-screen menus he is using as these transfer with the HDMI signal to the recorder Maybe I can hook this up to the DP's rig then. I'm trying to see if I can streamline the process for the producers so they can save the editor time syncing audio and converting the video to Prores 422. In other words, I can offer a service that would save them more money in the long run despite my increase in rate for offering such service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael McQueen Posted November 25, 2011 Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 red dot is still partially on screen with the dslr's, so that sucks with usage with the pix 240... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Toline Posted November 25, 2011 Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 I had a couple of cables made up. Couldn't tell you the exact wiring, as I left it to my guy who knows his stuff...but it takes the balanced out's of my 552, Y cable to a single XLRM (with left on one of the pins, right on the other), then I use a normal XLR with another specially made cable on the end - XLRF to 3.5mm TRS. Feeds an unbalanced stereo signal to the camera and I mostly only ever use it for sit down interview type stuff. Run and gun this would probably be clunky at best. Looking at the price of the G3 100 series stuff tho has me thinking maybe it's time to give Sennheiser some of my money... A new G3 will run about $600. Look for used on ebay or dealer consignment lists & save $2-$300. Eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justanross Posted November 25, 2011 Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 www.lockitbuddy.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Audio Daddyo Posted November 25, 2011 Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 Has anyone used a Lectro R1a to output audio to a 7D? Where approximately would you set the receiver pot for good level. Won't have time to experiment. 7D Audio will be used to sync using pluraleyes. Thanks, Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShubiSnax Posted November 25, 2011 Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 I did a small shoot with a 5D and a Senny G3. We did some interviews and got b-roll. Persons being interviewed wore the G3 Tx and the G3 Rx went straight into the 5D. Here's the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBBZfHiSZwk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ncsoundmixer Posted November 25, 2011 Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 Comtek wireless - good enough for scratch track but forces Them to use production sound from the bag. You're also not cabled to the camera. Keeps everyone happy, you still get rental for providing them with broadcast quality sound from your bag (that's why you're there, right?), and you don't have to be tethered to the camera. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Toline Posted November 25, 2011 Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 I did a small shoot with a 5D and a Senny G3. We did some interviews and got b-roll. Persons being interviewed wore the G3 Tx and the G3 Rx went straight into the 5D. Here's the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBBZfHiSZwk I did a small shoot with a 5D and a Senny G3. We did some interviews and got b-roll. Persons being interviewed wore the G3 Tx and the G3 Rx went straight into the 5D. Here's the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBBZfHiSZwk Very nice. Better than what I would have expected from DSLR tracks. Eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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