Michael Miramontes Posted November 30, 2011 Report Share Posted November 30, 2011 I know..I know...there's no such thing as a stupid question. However, there are some things I still don't know and feel a bit intimidated to ask because I don't want some douche bag to chime in and give me a smart ass reply or have a pro snicker at me. For the sake of learning I don't care anymore and I know there are probably other people on here that may feel the same way. So, I'm starting this thread as a haven for anyone that might also have questions that may/may not be common knowledge. Let me begin by asking: Maybe I'm not googling this correctly but I've yet to find out what the hell ENG stands for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Gilchrist Posted November 30, 2011 Report Share Posted November 30, 2011 Simple, at least in our context: "Electronic News Gathering" and the term originated to differentiate film news crews from video news crews. From the American Heritage Dictionary: "the use of small TV cameras, video tape recorders, and transmission equipment in covering news events" In other contexts, it means other stuff: engineer, English, etc. Remember the group's motto. "Where there are no stupid questions, only stupid answers." Best regards, Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Toline Posted November 30, 2011 Report Share Posted November 30, 2011 I know..I know...there's no such thing as a stupid question. However, there are some things I still don't know and feel a bit intimidated to ask because I don't want some douche bag to chime in and give me a smart ass reply or have a pro snicker at me. For the sake of learning I don't care anymore and I know there are probably other people on here that may feel the same way. So, I'm starting this thread as a haven for questions that may/may not be common knowledge. Let me begin by asking: Maybe I'm not googling this correctly but I've yet to find out what the hell ENG stand for? Electronic News Gathering, now MOS can mean "Minus Optical Sound or "Motor Only Sound" or "Mit Out Sound" or in the video news world "Man On Street" but as I'm sure you know "No Sound." What I want to know is where did the term "Run-N-Gun" come from? Eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afewmoreyears Posted November 30, 2011 Report Share Posted November 30, 2011 First World War? LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olle Sjostrom Posted November 30, 2011 Report Share Posted November 30, 2011 MOS = Mixer Outside Smoking (null) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taylormadeaudio Posted November 30, 2011 Report Share Posted November 30, 2011 What I want to know is where did the term "Run-N-Gun" come from? Eric Hey Eric, I think the term "Run & Gun" refers to minimal set-up (available light, no rehearsal), bag-based (for Sound) ENG/reality/doc style shooting where everything is on the fly -- you're often running (that part of the phrase is obvious) and gunning (referencing the shotgun mic (for Sound), and the camera as well (for its gun-like qualities?) That's how I've always perceived it -- as more of a 'get what you can, and can what you get' style of shooting. What I wanna know is why are there always 4 or 5 kids standing within 10 feet of each other with headsets on, all simultaneously shouting "ROLLING!!!" at the top of their lungs... and they're usually standing right behind my cart. Who are they? Are they rolling as in rolling on Ecstasy? ...And, why do they have to YELL so much? ; ) ~tt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stacysound Posted November 30, 2011 Report Share Posted November 30, 2011 There are no stupid Questions, only inquisitive idiots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Toline Posted November 30, 2011 Report Share Posted November 30, 2011 Hey Eric, I think the term "Run & Gun" refers to minimal set-up (available light, no rehearsal), bag-based (for Sound) ENG/reality/doc style shooting where everything is on the fly -- you're often running (that part of the phrase is obvious) and gunning (referencing the shotgun mic (for Sound), and the camera as well (for its gun-like qualities?) That's how I've always perceived it -- as more of a 'get what you can, and can what you get' style of shooting. What I wanna know is why are there always 4 or 5 kids standing within 10 feet of each other with headsets on, all simultaneously shouting "ROLLING!!!" at the top of their lungs... and they're usually standing right behind my cart. Who are they? Are they rolling as in rolling on Ecstasy? ...And, why do they have to YELL so much? ; ) ~tt They are the wannabes (PA's) who think by yelling they become an important part of the project. Eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taylormadeaudio Posted November 30, 2011 Report Share Posted November 30, 2011 PA... does that stand for Pain in the Ass? ; ) Actually, they're not too bad -- if you can get to them early enough in the production and reiterate how important your hearing is to you and your dependents, you can usually get them to convert from the dark side. Yelling on set seems more and more an accepted MO though, has anyone noticed that? ~tt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john Quinn Posted November 30, 2011 Report Share Posted November 30, 2011 LOL = Lots Of Love Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olle Sjostrom Posted November 30, 2011 Report Share Posted November 30, 2011 On commercial shoots with long monologues I've heard clients and ADs answering ringing phones in the middle of the take... And DPs and directors yelling like crazy.. Sigh (null) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPSharman Posted November 30, 2011 Report Share Posted November 30, 2011 I don't do bag stuff very often, so about a year or two ago a producer said, "We're going to run outside and get some MOS stuff." I promptly put my gear down to prepare for a little break. We all had a bit of a chuckle at my expense for not knowing Man On Street in this context. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Orusa Posted November 30, 2011 Report Share Posted November 30, 2011 What I wanna know is why are there always 4 or 5 kids standing within 10 feet of each other with headsets on, all simultaneously shouting "ROLLING!!!" at the top of their lungs... and they're usually standing right behind my cart. Who are they? Are they rolling as in rolling on Ecstasy? ...And, why do they have to YELL so much? ; ) ~tt Tom, I think you have some groupies. Whatever you're doing, you must be doing it right! Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freeheel Posted December 1, 2011 Report Share Posted December 1, 2011 In my opinion, MOS for "Man on Street" is a term that should be actively abolished by soundies. Apart from making it apparent that your producer knows nothing about the history of the medium they are working in, at least half of those "streeters" are not even Men... Brent C Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpsanos Posted December 1, 2011 Report Share Posted December 1, 2011 MOS = Mixer Outside Smoking (null) That made me LOL! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris McCallum Posted December 1, 2011 Report Share Posted December 1, 2011 There was discussion on the last reality shoot I was on as to the correct meaning for PSC. I was of the belief that it stood for Portable Single Camera but would love clarification Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Toline Posted December 1, 2011 Report Share Posted December 1, 2011 PSC in that context is a new one for me. Eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Gilbert Posted December 1, 2011 Report Share Posted December 1, 2011 That's what it mean to me Chris. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirror Posted December 1, 2011 Report Share Posted December 1, 2011 MOS = Minus Optical Stripe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferdinand Almalvez Posted December 1, 2011 Report Share Posted December 1, 2011 You are not alone, I always wondered what ENG meant, now I know, thanks for asking! haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justanross Posted December 1, 2011 Report Share Posted December 1, 2011 Up here with the Eskimo's we say OTF. On The Fly interview. Instead of Man on The Street. I've actually never heard that one before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris McCallum Posted December 1, 2011 Report Share Posted December 1, 2011 PSC is a UK term I think Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Babb Posted December 1, 2011 Report Share Posted December 1, 2011 Was working with an established reality crew from LA here in NC and we would often break away to do OTF interviews. I'd never heard that phrase before but I just stayed quiet and did what comes natural... Recorded the dialog. Moments later the 'interviewee' asked the producer "what does OTF mean?" Watch and learn, grasshopper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Toline Posted December 1, 2011 Report Share Posted December 1, 2011 In the news world when the reporter was doing the VO on the story there was always a notation on the left side of the script at specific points that said "MOS XX Seconds" that meant that there was tape roll of a pre-recorded interview piece that would be cut into the package. Eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DecentSound Posted December 1, 2011 Report Share Posted December 1, 2011 Oh OTF's, on the flies that 99 percent of the time are "ATF" and involve the director/producer giving them really cheesy lines that they deliver about as well as a one wheeled UPS truck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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