Jeff Faber Posted December 1, 2011 Report Share Posted December 1, 2011 Regarding the original post, as previously stated, ENG = electronic news gathering. However over time the term has evolved to mean a style of documentary type shooting with a small crew. (At least that’s the way the term is used in my small market, Milwaukee.) People use to use the term EFP or electronic field production for non-news shoots, but I don’t hear that term used anymore. So if a producer calls me up to book me on an ENG type of shoot, my expectation is that I’ll be working out of a mixer bag with most likely two other people. A cameraman who will be shooting with a hand held or shoulder mounted camera and a field producer who will be directing us and conducting any interviews. The shoot will likely be fast moving with minimal or no lighting. It may include formal sit-down interviews and/or shorter OTF, or on the fly interviews. For sit-down interviews the cameraman will most likely use a tripod and do more elaborate lighting. If someone calls and requests a “standard ENG audio package”, to me that means a shotgun mic and boompole, mixer bag with a 3 or 4 channel field mixer, two wirelesses with beltpack transmitters and lavs, and a breakaway cable for connection to the camera. A recorder or wireless link is not normally included. This seems to be evolving however and I always ask if these things are needed. Extra charges apply for these items. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taylormadeaudio Posted December 1, 2011 Report Share Posted December 1, 2011 Tom, I think you have some groupies. Whatever you're doing, you must be doing it right! Mark Thanks Mark, That made me laugh -- and wonder if you don't ever put them up to it ; ). If I ever did have groupies, I'd be oblivious -- always have been... I think it's better that way, right? ~tt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studiomprd Posted December 1, 2011 Report Share Posted December 1, 2011 One network (originally) preferred EJ (Electronic Journalism) over ENG.. " a term that should be actively abolished " too late! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Gilbert Posted December 1, 2011 Report Share Posted December 1, 2011 Just to correct the OP, it's a common misconception that there's no such thing as a stupid question, I've heard hundreds of them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dugstar Posted December 1, 2011 Report Share Posted December 1, 2011 i was always told PSC stood for 'Presenter Sound Camera'! ya learn a new thing every day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Gilchrist Posted December 1, 2011 Report Share Posted December 1, 2011 Just to correct the OP, it's a common misconception that there's no such thing as a stupid question, I've heard hundreds of them True, but there are infinitely more stupid answers. Just trying to stay true to the group motto and to my own experience. Best regards, Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philip Perkins Posted December 1, 2011 Report Share Posted December 1, 2011 There was discussion on the last reality shoot I was on as to the correct meaning for PSC. I was of the belief that it stood for Portable Single Camera but would love clarification Chris Where I come from PSC means Professional Sound Corp., Ron Meyer's company that makes accessories for people like us. phil p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taylormadeaudio Posted December 1, 2011 Report Share Posted December 1, 2011 Where I come from PSC means Professional Sound Corp., Ron Meyer's company that makes accessories for people like us. phil p same here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olle Sjostrom Posted December 1, 2011 Report Share Posted December 1, 2011 I often wonder what some shorts mean, like IIRC for example.. The ones I've figured out: IME - in my experience IMHO - in my humble opinion (or as my friend said: In my hilarious opinion) FWIW - for what it's worth FYI - for your information BTW - buy the way (hehe) If this is not a stupid question I don't know what is, kthxbye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old school Posted December 1, 2011 Report Share Posted December 1, 2011 In the old days when one had a Nagra and worked w a 16mm camera we called it "Over the shoulder" work. CrewC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taylormadeaudio Posted December 1, 2011 Report Share Posted December 1, 2011 I often wonder what some shorts mean, like IIRC for example.. The ones I've figured out: IME - in my experience IMHO - in my humble opinion (or as my friend said: In my hilarious opinion) FWIW - for what it's worth FYI - for your information BTW - buy the way (hehe) If this is not a stupid question I don't know what is, kthxbye If I Remember Correctly, it means 'if I remember correctly'... sorry, couldn't resist... ~tt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olle Sjostrom Posted December 1, 2011 Report Share Posted December 1, 2011 If I Remember Correctly, it means 'if I remember correctly'... sorry, couldn't resist... ~tt Puns rule! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taylormadeaudio Posted December 1, 2011 Report Share Posted December 1, 2011 Yeah, but I think mine was more like 2/3 of a pun: P U ! ; ) ~tt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Orusa Posted December 1, 2011 Report Share Posted December 1, 2011 I think the title of this thread could be changed to "Stupid questions and silly answers". Thanks Mark, That made me laugh -- and wonder if you don't ever put them up to it ; ). If I ever did have groupies, I'd be oblivious -- always have been... I think it's better that way, right? ~tt I couldn't resist the opportunity to make a stupid joke. Glad it made you laugh. And yes, as a husband and father I think it would be best for you to ignore said groupies! I can't say I've ever really done "electronic news gathering". That would mean I'm working for a news crew, right? I remember the first time I heard OTF. I kept thinking it was "Over The " something... fence, forest, fox, fridge... Mark O. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordi Posted December 2, 2011 Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 What I wanna know is why are there always 4 or 5 kids standing within 10 feet of each other with headsets on, all simultaneously shouting "ROLLING!!!" at the top of their lungs... and they're usually standing right behind my cart. Who are they? Are they rolling as in rolling on Ecstasy? ...And, why do they have to YELL so much? ; ) ~tt I have a solution for that situation in the future - Put a sign up on your sharkfin pole stating the following: "If you are reading this and yelling... You are in target range. Have a water pistol or a rubber band gun as a first warning shot... Then escalate to heavier weaponry as the situation determines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glen Trew Posted December 2, 2011 Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 I'm surprised no one asked what "IFB" stands for, but it gives me the chance to be the first to give the answer: "Interruptible Fold Back". In the 70s (and maybe earlier) "Fold Back (or foldback) was the term we used for audio monitoring to the production stage (now usually referred to as floor monitors or floor wedges or stage monitors. "Interruptible Fold Back" or IFB, was a special foldback circuit that allowed the director to talk to the on-air talant through the same earpiece they were using to listen to the program foldback. The interruptible foldback usually went through an earpiece so that the director's cues were not heard over the air. The IFB circuits we made back then muted - or interrupted - the foldback signal so that the director was easily heard by the talent. After participating in the history, it's funny to hear the term "IFB" used as a generic term for any earpiece. gt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Toline Posted December 2, 2011 Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 The button that's marked as "IFB" on consoles now used to be called "CUE" on consoles way back when there were no menus and every function on the console had a button, switch or pot. Eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olle Sjostrom Posted December 2, 2011 Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 Ifb has then not truly come to Sweden. Have never ever had director, or anyone else, talk over "ifb". We call ifb "lyssning" which translates sort of into " hearing" or "listening" (null) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Wielage Posted December 2, 2011 Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 I'm surprised no one asked what "IFB" stands for, but it gives me the chance to be the first to give the answer:"Interruptible Fold Back". Hey, we always called it "Interruptible Feedback" in Florida. So did the guys for whom we did weekend remotes for at ABC and CBS -- many football and soccer games, from about 1972-1977 or thereabouts. Wikipedia says the same. I just figured, "eh, it's easier than saying 'that thing that the associate director uses to yell at the talent.'" The floor loudspeaker wedges had a different function, usually by the FOH mixers. (That's Front of House, for those following along.) Next, someone will ask what "F.A.B." stands for (from the old British Thunderbirds TV shows)... --Marc W. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris McCallum Posted December 2, 2011 Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 Next, someone will ask what "F.A.B." stands for (from the old British Thunderbirds TV shows)... --Marc W. Fully Acknowledged Broadcast was my understanding of that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taylormadeaudio Posted December 2, 2011 Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 I have a solution for that situation in the future - Put a sign up on your sharkfin pole stating the following: "If you are reading this and yelling... You are in target range. Have a water pistol or a rubber band gun as a first warning shot... Then escalate to heavier weaponry as the situation determines. Geordi, I love it! It might bring some liability issues into play -- I like the idea though. Maybe I'll just shoot them a patronizing smile... and if that doesn't work, a menacing glare often does the trick. But you usually have to follow up with that one -- some reassurance that you don't totally hate their guts -- otherwise they get this wounded puppy thing going and that's often worse than the yelling : ) ~tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studiomprd Posted December 2, 2011 Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 " Have never ever had director, or anyone else, talk over "ifb" " maybe not on your shoots, but it is common worldwide for live television. Directors use IFB to give on-air "talent" cues like "intro Sven", or "throw to Helga"... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigmaho Posted December 2, 2011 Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 First World War? LOL That's where 'Basket Case' came from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Blankenship Posted December 2, 2011 Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 I've run into quite a few unique identifiers for your basic sit down interviews. It seems to spawn a legion of personalized linguistic twists. "Finish the OTB and then we'll nail the SDI in the OR right after we spray some ES." So, what in the world does Off Track Betting have to do with anything? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Blankenship Posted December 2, 2011 Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 In the slightly O.T. department: While I'm generally in favor of less government intervention in our lives, there are two areas I believe are in dire need of legislation: 1) No Christmas music prior to December first. 2) One, and only one, organization or circumstance can utilize a given acronym. For instance, if the Culinary Institute of America gets there first, the Central Intelligence Agency is out of luck. I think our quality of life will improve greatly with just these two changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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