Srgtfury

Personally I was entertained by the posts. Not sure how it got folks upset. It certainly made more sense than Fury's posts.;~)

CrewC

Ho Old,

You're just on the "wrong block..."

Thank you very much

Fury

You know, I normally don't drink, and one reason is that I'd wind up with message threads like this.

I rarely imbibe spirits, but several here allege that Fury's threads/posts bear a close resemblance to the above. Actually, finally thought someone had a similar wavelength...

Hi Tom, Well done. Fury has abstained longer, but would hazard , at risk of contributing to a generally useless body of western literature, penning, as a distant co-author, Nomad for Dummies.

Thank you very much

Fury

OMG the very thing happened to me earlier this morning...bizarre and wonderful

TMI...maybe, OTOH, not enough...expound.

Thank you very much

Fury

Hi Vasily,

And here we thought you were grounded in EE. Whole house surge suppressors-always. Never had to wrestle with the cart kit issue, though. What do the professionals employ, if anything. All sortsa spikes gotta be goin' on, during real world set recording.

Efharisto very much

Fury

Bet U want your Maypo too!

Thank you very much

Fury

Hi Jeff, Wouldn't employing one of these devices obviate the need for even getting a close approximation of the offending frequency? As alluded, apart from ascertaining offending frequencies, what is the work around for gaps in hearing frequencies or decreased acuity, within desirable ranges,please? Do the aforementioned devices serve here as well, or are there any other devices, software, techniques to help compensate?

Thank you very much

Fury

Hopefully faster in Europe (If we have money)

Suso

Nearly always the case, as far as novel procedures and Rx's, but more due to the regulatory environment than Cashe. If U have ever had the opportunity to sit on a Human Research Committee and present UR study proposal, at a tertiary or quaternary Hospital in the U.S., U would be amazed at the intellectual milieu and the ideation, occasionally expressed. Of course, like most things, perspective and timing rule the day, for the individual... Not sayin' there isn't a really good system in place, though.

Certain Asian countries, OTOH, routinely predate Europa, in this arena...

No doubt, The Unaffordable Health care ACT'll fix it all...

Thank you very much

Fury

http://blogs.discove...rs—and-hearing/

Pluripotential cells are just that... We R getting better at asking the right questions, which is usually the most important phase of problem solving. Still, unfortunately for current sufferers, we R years away from U.S. approved, non-compassionate availability...

Thank you very much

Fury

Seriously professional IOS audio tools: http://www.studiosixdigital.com/

These are they guys who developed the Terrasonde audio meters, which were later distributed by Sencore.

Is this, or similar pieces, what hearing impaired sound persons use to ID frequencies that they cannot reliably discern? With the "Trust your ears," and the not insignificant hearing impairments of many professional sound mixers, who have been successful and, by report, seem to still be successful, there must be accommodations that are made, in the field. Any other devices, other personnel aside, that are employed for this purpose? By extension, the neophyte would likely benefit, from the same methods, foreshortening the apprenticeship process.

Thank you very much

fury

"No not complete, but maybe 80-90% recovery."

Remarkable. Do you have the documentation of this on an objective printed, electronic or whatever level?

Is the ",,,pass standardized hearing tests" a reference to union or other bodies' testing, pertinent to the many of the sound professional's, in this forum? In Fury's, not insignificant experience, in this auditory field, U.S., boarded ENT and similarly credentialed and related Allied Health Professionals, who conduct comprehensive evaluations, for auditory issues, do report ".less-than-severe types of hearing damage." The one caveat, is the definition of "severe, of course." That is the beauty of the written record, so to say...

The rest of the suprajacent post has been covered, but, if it saves one person's hearing, to read it again...well there has been a lotta stuff penned here that has been of less than "useful" nature. In fact, this admonition and direction, albeit from, probably lay Posters, could arguably be judged to provide as much net value to the community, as any subject matter.

Perhaps the administrator will feel compelled to make this thread, or a similar Post sticky. Certainly, many, who post here and some that lurk, are not likely to have union, available, very valuable, per Hon. Sen., documentation and, in service, meetings. By the time a neophyte works their way up to union eligibility, if they so desire to join same, PREVENTABLE, permanent hearing loss could have been sustained. Db;s of prevention are worth WAAAAYmore than a non-cure...

Thank you very much

Fury

Seems almost TOO Bright, at max setting in typical, indoor, ambient light. Dropped down, one or two notches, perfect, YMMV. At f22, prolly need max setting. which, as Rado indicated, was spot on. The screen, AFAIK, has not been changed, just a jumper and software change.

Thank you very much

Fury

Just curious--ultimately, what is the drive in enthusiasm for these lightweight, more portable multi-track recorder/mixers? Is it reality tv/documentary work? Or is it becoming increasingly expected for sound mixers to operate as 1-man-bands (seems to be the case in the indie world)? Or is it simply a matter of more filmmakers shooting unconventionally thus making cart-based mixing with a boom op less practical?

Nearly at the forefront is one of the curses of the erect posture, of Western man, disc disease. Depending on hiring practices of the individual employer, at least, in the U,S., the workers comp policy would, at the end of the premium day, do well to have a lighter burden, brotha.

Thank you very much

fury

I had a woods location once where there was no chance to place the genny farther away than about 40 mtrs. And I mean, there *really* wasn't. It was a "silent", though not "super silent" cine genny, and a low hum was clearly audible.

We used a KM120 fig-8 on the boom, keeping the genny in the null and using proximity effect (or rather the opposite of proximity effect). No genny was audible through the mic.

For those Sound Persons, who have related-wavelength hearing loss, whether gap or acuity attenuation, what is the work around? Spectrum analyzers, or the like, esp. as regards low frequency sounds, of this nature?

Thank you very much

Fury

" One would think the union, at the least, should have a proactive position. "

they have been, and the Employers, through CSATF provide various safety training, including hearing conservation classes required of sound and other appropriate departments like props and SFX. on real movie sets, whenever there will be loud stuff, hearing protection is available from these departments.

Most excellent. Do they provide screening tests, with ENT referrals as well...?

" I feel that my hearing is no longer once it once was from childhood,"

normal, this applies to all of us

" but has thankfully recovered from the gunfire damage. "

well, mostly, but some long term damage has been done...

If a complete, objective reversal of hearing loss, from firearms related damage, has been documented, by a disinterested, credentialed observer, that would be remarkable. Please let us know, if that is the case.

Thank you very much

fury

Right after the DP finishes with his eye chart.

I hear 'ya. Many quotes come to mind, however, disability (hearing loss) is, in large measure,preventable, in this profession, vs. the DP's, disability, which is much less likely to have an epiphenomenon relation to visual loss or, more likely, an exacerbating one (albeit a stretch).

BTW, references to U.S., medical specialty, white papers are, generally, more accepted in the medical community than wikipedia, which can also be helpful, but because of its genesis lacks true medical validity. As has been noted, this is an apparent industry problem that has been kept "silent," for the most part, but, apparently mandates elucidation and a call to action. One would think the union, at the least, should have a proactive position.

Is there a "polling" function capability on the web site Jeff? Might be, at once, sobering and of genuine benefit.

Thank you very much

Fury

Thank you very much

Fury

" jes send a few "

as Fury has not, Fury needs not and thus Fury cares not.

Obtuse, false, but bella prova! The O.P. cared enough to bring this to the community's attention, to be sure.

So not a single experience, with this protection product, then.

C'mon, Hon. Sen. Depends, U gotta have, as imbued as U R , with the milk of human kindness, some extra, working, fairly current transmitters, that U can spec. Might even be a net benefit to U. Fury will be sure to return them to U...

Thank you very much

Fury

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Fury

"errors in grammar and punctuation".

That should have been, "I should have proofed it but it was in delivered, as they say, off the cuff".

I don't want to get all nit-picky. And, if I were to start pointing out errors in grammar and punctuation on this site, I don't know where it would all end. But, Jim, if you're going to make corrections, you'd best be accurate.

In both of the quoted examples above, the full stop should be enclosed within the quotes.

For those outside the US, I should clarify that this is a US publishing convention. In England, punctuation often falls outside the quotes.

David

C'hai ragione! Fury's difficulties with the English language, arise from it being a tertiary language, in Fury's case, that is...not in the grand unification of all languages' historical sense.

Thank you very much

Fury

lol

So what you are saying is,

debates dont "exist", they just are. To debate is to consider, to consider is to reason. In order to reason one must have free thought, but does free thought actually exist?

Didn't you call me homophobic based on absolutely nothing? (which I can assure you, I am not)

You are watt U R, "weather" U like it or not...

Have Fun

Thanking U Very Much

Fury

" poor hearing does not seem to preclude a successful and even exemplary career is this field."

Fury is correct...

Fury gets a lotta that...

" Quite frankly the hearing tests administered by health professionals only test for the extreme limits of hearing loss. "

I would disagree...

The Hon. Senator may or may not be correct, depending on the individual administering the test, but a thorough evaluation, includes the sub and supra "normal" test tones around the range of "normal"," human hearing, to some degree.

Thank you very much

Fury

BTW, do the applicable union(s) have any guidelines, published or advice for members, as regards prophylaxis, etc. in the subject area in the O.P.?

What does the community think would be the percentage of sound professionals at, say years-5,10,20,25,30, working in the field that can hear tone tests @: 9K,10K, 11K...12K and/or use hearing "aids", beyond headphones on the job? Any retired professionals care to list auditory range, when last working, for example? If one knows that they have gaps in their auditory acuity (complete absence of, say normal conversational speech acuity, with crowded room background voices, what is the work around? Headphones and monitor the isos that are in play, if possible and mix later? A well trained assistant, who is actually doing the work?

Thank you very much

Fury

I had severe hearing problems near the end of my mixing career. Now that I don't have to worry about being known as the deaf mixer, I can come clean. I have the ringing in ears, been tested and told to get hearing aids. I've put it off, but struggle through bad cell calls and hearing people speak in noisy environments and I mastered the art of nodding attentively.

I am positive that a lot of hearing loss is due the earphones. Like RVD, I used to keep them loud so I could hear background problems and not be embarrassed if the director asked me if I heard something off set. Stupid. I strongly advise everyone to listen as low as possible and use external speakers as much as possible. Let's face, 90% of basic dialog can be mixed just using the needle by take four. We don't have to injure our health to be a mixer.

John Coffey CAS

And yet we "see" the oft repeated refrain, "trust your ears."

Wonder if employers are going to require some sort of hearing test for sound hires, at some point. It does beg the question. By extension, poor hearing does not seem to preclude a successful and even exemplary career is this field.

Thank you very much

Fury

Yeah, Mg++ and myriads of remedies have proponents and anecdotal, if not somewhat better support, but passing even the student T test... Having said that and ONLY after a thorough exclusion of other diagnoses, it is not "unheard " of to recommend low salt, caffeine free dietary habits, etc., etc., at least in Western Medicine...

At any rate, much like migraines, whose precise etiology is also unknown and, like most of medicine, whose remedy oriented medications have been either empirically or with soft science, prescribed, tinnitus remedies may overlap with migraine ones and others. Then evolves the lumper and splitter camp discussion, in medicine, but that prolly don't belong here nohow...

Thank you very much

Fury

Blue and pink ribbons all 'round.

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Fury

Late in the sense that for 10 days now no-one has been discussing my little rants or indeed the somewhat hot tempered replies to them. It's a scab that doesn't need picking.

It's not 'interesting' - I simply don't think it's relevant. I am a new customer and while they have been very reasonable I don't particularly wish to discuss the ins and outs of our fledgling relationship. Suffice to say we have discussed alternatives, which I did mention I would try and do some posts back.

Both Pinknoise and Soundkit list the Nomad for purchase. My local chaps Wendy's Broadcast will also pull them in (possibly from EE, I don't know) if asked.

I will be picking my Nomad up next week after it's factory hiatus. Be interesting to see the new screen mod.

As far as Zaxcom's turnaround time for Nomad upgrade and repair on Nomad 8, it was better than even imagined and AFA can be ascertained at this juncture-perfect. Certain make ready mods not operational yet. The piece left the friendly confines of Coffey Sound in Ca., for Zaxcom in New Jersey, and was subsequently drop shipped (emphasis on NON drop, actually) back to Ca., in a TOTAL of 6 business days. Bunch of stuff done-Replace battery holder and full power testing, Nomad 48 pin modification, Nomad bright screen modification, Nomad bootloader update, Nomad software update to v. .313E, Nomad PLD update to MS6 for Mix-8 support, Nomad USB support modification. Granted, a lotta easy software stuff, but still... They even sent a new Zaxcom box back.

WRT the brightness mod, too bright for all but, possibly, f22 viewing at full illumination. Dial down a few notches, to accommodate ambient lighting and spot on...

Thank you very much

Fury

" auditory problems should be evaluated by an ENT/Head & Neck physician, soon after onset. "

yes, of course, and the free, professional hearing tests I mentioned are only a screening process, and if the results warrent, you are given exactly that advice: to seek professional care, ASAP!

With respect, the prudent approach would seem to dictate rapid ENT evaluation for new onset, auditory symptoms, irrespective of screening tests. This is a public service announcement.

Thank you very much

Fury