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- Today
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I agree, purchased the 833 just before the 888 was announced, and although it is fine for my needs now, had assumed all the "8" series goodies would be compatible. Had I known of the new CL16 not being compatible (which was pre-announced at the time of my purchase) I would have waited and purchased the 888 instead. Like I said, probably not going to impact me much, but for others I can understand some heartburn.
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Lav in the headgear? Boxers get hit on the head.
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Why even make the 833? On small jobs where you’d want the 833 size the 633 already delivers 100%. It just seems like they made it to hit a price point and sell everyone the latest and greatest. Probably would have done just fine with two models, 888 and Scorpio and price the 888 just a little less.
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Very slick looking device. Will be interesting to see the display in action. I wonder if Sound Devices / Audio Limited's A10 Rack secretly supports these new rumored 4 channel slot receivers? If so, would be slick to have an 888, 16 channels of wireless in 1u going into it via Dante and then this control surface in 1u as well.
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This slot form factor was originaly designed to fit big Broadcast cameras, but one can see that nowadays, most of productions use a lot of different cameras, from the small A7s to Arri's or Red and less ans less Betacam style cameras. Today, almost every sound recordist, from news to high profile features uses small receivers as camera hops. This form factor is inherited from the past and I can understand the need for backward compatibility, but I hope that new products in the future will be more oriented to the sound persons than just "slot compatible". As sound ops, we need higher channel count, at least 4, without compromise on quality, without the need to cables and distros, with a large and clear display, not especially integrated in the mixer/recorder, but definitly more sound oriented. Zaxcom made it, others can and should.
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I went to Lectro M2R and DCHT, small, broadcast quality audio, run on lithium AAs' all day...the pros, the cons cannot be hit with phantom power, and a non locking mini jack! I haven't had any issues with the mini jack but I did have the unit get fried by phantom power! You've got to get phantom blocker cables! My 2cents
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Possible, but I hope not. The 888 is only 2k more, which would seem strange. Also it would firmly put them in Cantar territory (price-wise), and with Scorpio at least they‘ve stayed well clear of that. So I‘m hoping for the same here, although design-wise they’re getting closer. But I would actually prefer the CL-16 over the Cantaress in many ways, so I wouldn’t be surprised if the prices were similar. Still hoping for a price well south of 5k...
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I agree with you Derek 100%. The slot dimensions, limited power availability and heat dissipation make it a non starter for us. Even though we did a slot design we could not move forward with it once we saw how impossible it would be to make a world class digital wireless receiver in that form factor.
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I still think slot receivers are dumb and tie the hands of the designers to an unnecessary form factor. It’s easy for Sound Devices to make a housing that’s essentially a simple power and audio distro and then market it as an amazing small form factor mix package but that pressures Lectro and other wireless companies into always using the arbitrary slot receiver form factor. What if it were the other way around and Lectro said to Sound Devices hey our user base is going to use our product with yours so it’s a package deal and you better deliver on your end but it has to fit in this box every time. Oh and you better double your channel count again and it needs to get better range than last years model and be wideband. Stupid. I’m not a Zaxcom wireless user but I think they were right years ago when they said no we’re not making a slot receiver because we want to do more with our product than that form factor allows. (Yes I know they eventually made a slot receiver. It could only receive a single stereo carrier which is why no one bought it BUT it did exactly what the slot mount design is for which is put in a camera for a two channel mix).
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I'm really pissed about the kick in the guts to 833 owners that Sound Devices delivered 😞 :-/
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If i am not mistaken, doesnt the antenna filter duplicate what is currently built into the CL unit? Maybe its block specific and more narrow? i have had success reducing interference significantly (but not eliminating entirely) using whip antennas by putting spacers between the CL and nova about an inch or so. Also allows airflow the CL gets hot reducing output to 50 or 25 didnt seem to change much in scans so i am leaving at 100 most of the time -Ken
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Thanks for the ideas John. I just did a quick test of remoting the SNA600a to the side of the bag and it did seem to help a lot. I'd like to minimize the spray even more but running the CL3 at 608 and shortening the SNA600s so the antenna is more in tune to the 650 marking really did make a difference. Would adding an inline filter (between TX and SNA600) help keep the RF spray within the specific TX frequency? I just looked up the frequency question and it seems you're definitely right but there's a couple of spots in the 600mhz range that we might be able to use. Available frequencies following the transition Many frequencies in the TV bands that had been available for wireless microphone use prior to the auction will continue to be available after the transition period. These include: -VHF and UHF frequencies on TV channels 2-36, which fall below 608 MHz. -Certain frequencies in the 600 MHz guard band: 614-616 MHz. -Certain frequencies in the 600 MHz duplex gap: 653-657 MHz for licensed use or 657-663 MHz for unlicensed use. Jon, didn't mean to hi-jack the thread, I was just thinking it's semi-related to the above!
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Yes, which is great, especially when the CL12 ate up 3RU unless you did surgery on it and removed the feet and/or shaved the sides down. I’m thinking of how tall it is when opened up and how that would mount in a cart. Probably ends up blocking the next piece of gear you have above it. Not a big deal but something to think about. Also, kudos to SD for going with standard 12V power via 4-pin XLR. I hate hate hate screwing around with micro USB cables and 5 volt power on the CL12. Any wagers on the price tag for this thing? I’m thinking they’ll ask for north of 5k.
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It collapses down to 2 RU, Derek.
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I’d be pretty irritated if I were Aaton. But it does seem like they’ve checked all the boxes this time. Faders are easily replaceable too from an access plate on the bottom. It has trim knobs! And I’m curious what that big screen will do. Is it a touch screen? It would be great if it could provide an equivalent SD Remote program so you don’t need another iPad dangling off the cart. 3-4x SDI inputs would be a great use of that screen as well... though I doubt that’s the case If it’s simply for meters and track names that seems like a bit of a waste of physical space. That thing is going to eat up like 5ru with the screen flipped up.
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Unless something has changed that I'm not aware of, 608-614mHz (TV Channel 37) is illegal for our use in the U.S. 608-614mHz -- This band is used in the Wireless Medical Telemetry Service (WMTS) and the Radioastronomy Service. This band is allocated for both Federal and Non-Federal use. As far as your desensitizing issue, have you tested putting the antenna on a remote cable to see if that would solve the issue? If you determine it does, then you can start experimenting with placement. Getting it on a plane away from the receiving antennas would be where I would start -- below their plane or above it. I wonder if adding one of the Zaxcom filtered antennas might help -- a question for the mothership.
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Types of jobs you do: Documentaries, Shows, Films, and everything in between. A lot of day playing. Camera audio will be final or reference: Depends. Most of the time its just TC or guide/reference. There are gigs that I do that require broadcast quality hop. Mono/Stereo hop: Both. Most common cameras you work with: Pretty much all of them. TC needs: JB-1s, Zaxcom ERXs, Zaxcom rx200's. Hey guys, so I have a question regarding UHF hops in a compact bag setup. I primarily use a Zax CL3 with RX200's and URX100's. This setup works fantastic in a cart or if I'm working with the K-tek bag/harness combo because I can place the CL3 TX further away from the incoming RXs. My issue is that most of the time I'm running a really compact and lightweight system that doesn't use the traditional 'sound bag' setup. I don't have a lot of room to place the UHF TX far away from my receiver antennas. Right now, I'm using the TX at 608Mhz frequency and most of my incoming RXs in the 530-550 range. I get significantly reduce range when the CL3 in the bag is on. The second I turn the CL3 TX off my incoming RX range increases dramatically. Is there anything I can do to mitigate this overloading of the incoming RXs? I'm hoping that if I can remote the CL3 antenna to somewhere else in the bag will resolve the issue. I'm going to contact the Zaxcom mothership to see how I can get up to the highest legal use (614mhz?) to get more frequency separation. I'm also hoping that using more of a 'tune-able' antenna (SNA600a) could help mitigate RF spray, or a combination of all of these will allow me to use UHF hops with my compact bag. Picture is attached so you can get an idea. What methods are people using to get the best range for both UHF hops and their normal 'talent' wireless?
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Yes, it’s already a hot topic on Facebook. For me this is exactly what I‘ve been waiting for for some time. I‘m still hobbling along with my CL-9 and 788. I am so annoyed by the CL-9. Have taken a long good look at Cantar X3, but this is very likely to keep me in the SD camp
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Thanks, that they are ‘proprietary’’ was confirmed by one of the manufacturers as well. i just discovered the updates app, didn’t know that function was included in the controller app too. The firmware file did, in the app, seem to qualify to update all the Brooklyn Ii devices connected regardless of manufacturer.
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Sound Devices announce their “Cantaress” for 888 and Scorpio https://www.sounddevices.com/cl-16-faq/ Plenty of options now with the support of CL-12 and third parties controllers.
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But with the rocky launch of the Lectrosonics SRc then perhaps they might decide it is is time to update the SR series later rather than sooner. To make absolutely sure they get it right.
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Yes, the SL-2 is capable of up to 8 channels. Lectrosonics seems to think of the Lectrosonics DSQD as their successor to the Lectrosonics Venue2. And with the rocky launch of the Lectrosonics SRc then perhaps they might decide it is is time to update the SR series sooner rather than later.
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I just did an MMA movie. Just boom it.
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This is the first I'm hearing about quad supserslot RXs. Sounds fantastic. But how do you get 8 channels out of a quad receiver IronFilm? Are you talking about digital outputs or two quad receivers plugged into the SL-2? And with Lectro just coming out with their four channel receiver, I don't see them making the slot version any time soon IMHO.
- Yesterday
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I can't speak for anything else that Wilcox does, my experience has been solely limited to the recent turbulence in their microphone repair offerings.
