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  1. You miss understood me. Yes, I agree with you, 400 is closer to 259 than the possibility of 1,436 1960 units. You have a pretty sizable collection, I knew there were other larger Nagra collectors, but I understand not wanting to put their collection on line. It took me a long time to get up the nerve to post on line. I'm learning more though from collectors like you. Do you keep your collection in one area? Post some overall pictures if they are displayed, Everyone likes seeing Nagra pictures. Welcome to JWsound What I have liked about this site from the beginning, it's the only place where the people on here recognize, know about, appreciate and have used these recorders. Recording the world's favorite movies of the time. I can't believe the number of soundmen on this site and the movies they have recorded, forever etched in history with the machines you and I admire. You don't see that anywhere except for here on JWsound. When you watch a movie, keep an eye on the sound credits. Depending on the year, it was recorded on a Nagra of some type and most likely by one of these famous people on JWsound.
  2. Good work Spectreman. Just goes to show how well a Nagra III is made, with your determination and skill you now have a unit you can be proud of. Thank you BGAULLIER for the fantastic job and pictures explaining the Nagra III's You are a true collector. I know how much work that was for you to do. Thank you very much. You have a beautiful collection of Nagra III's best in the world. So you own 25 Nagra III's Wow!! I'm almost afraid to ask, how many Nagra's do you own all together? I had this ready to post just as you posted, I also heard the same serial number story from Nagra. Yes, they added all sorts of letters to the serial numbers but the running number of units made was still the same. Here is how I determine how many were made. At first when BGAULLIER new numbers messed up my chart I thought could there be many more Nagra III's than I thought. But then I remembered this. This Nagra statement below. Success of the NAGRA III was huge, and delivery times were between 6 and 8 months. Production has to be increased continually. In 1964 office space and manufacturing space is rented in Renens, then in 1965 in Malley. At the end of the year a factory in Neuchâtel is purchased. A vast piece of ground is purchased in Cheseaux-sur-Lausanne, for the construction of a dedicated factory. In 1967 the 10’000th NAGRA III is celebrated According to that statement, the dates and serial numbers listed below seem to match up. The 1967 10,000th recorder fits below in RED Except for 1965, I don’t have an answer for that yet. Unless his serial number is different somehow. Overall It seems very few Nagras III's were produced in the10-year period. For example From the chart below. Take the last number shown in 1965 and the first number shown in 1967, subtract 7623 from the first number in 1967 9556. Even if those numbers were the start and finish of the 1966 Nagra III (which they are not) the absolute best possible outcome for the year 1966 Nagra III’s produced would be 1,933 and the least made would be 1,761. Even though only 57 serial numbers were used in compiling my so-called database, you can see how one can determine roughly how many were produced in any given year except the last year. So In 1966 there were between 1,761 and 1,933 Nagra III's produced. So now you say, So,… Who cares? Well, when I started this I had no idea at all how many were made per year. Now I can start to see roughly which Nagra III's are the rarest by number and so can anybody reading this. Right now for 1960 the most that could have been made is 1,436 the least 259 It looks like in the early years just a few hundred were made each year. So over time I think the 1960 number will be closer to 259. The only year you can't do that is 1968. I just added BGAULLIER latest serial numbers that would affect my chart in blue (only the lowest and highest number matter each year) To make it less complicated the letters in the serial numbers do not change the total number made so they are left out for this purpose but are nice to know. As you can see the more serial numbers I get the more accurate it will be in determining how many units made each year. 1958) 22 - 58 1959) 105 -222 1960) 408- 667 1961) 827- 1471 2010 1962) 2103- 2529 2573 1963) 2907 2998- 4104 1964) 4147- 5520 1965) 6053 6204- 7623 1966) 6714- 8475 1967) 9556- 10,000 -11769 1968) 12303- 13874 13928
  3. Here is an updated Nagra III picture list and the span of serial numbers known per year as of Jan 2, 2018, this includes BGAULLIER ten recorders, of course this will change over time, but you can see roughly the dates and serial number range for each year. 1958) 22 - 58 1959) 105 -222 1960) 408- 667 1961) 827- 1471 1962) 2103- 2529 1963) 2998- 4104 1964) 4147- 5520 1965) 6204- 7623 1966) 6714- 8475 1967) 9556- 11769 1968) 12303- 13874 When listing the years and number range above, I found two problems; 1) was a mistake on my pictures list 65 5348 was supposed to be 65 6248 and has been corrected. 2) when adding BGAULLIER’s number for 1965 (7623) this blows up my database; this is the first time this has happened. As you can see under 1965) in red the previous year should not be a larger number than the following year if the serial numbers are meant to be consecutive. Either this is a mistake somewhere, or Nagra has a whole different way of adding serial numbers then previously thought. Could this mean serial #65 7623 also will have the same number in 1966? 66 7623? Does anyone have a Nagra III serial number that contradicts the consecutive order written in the above list?
  4. Welcome BGAULLIER, I'm glad you posted here on Jwsound You are a true Nagra collector, Thank you for posting your Nagra III part of your collection. How did you happen to find Jwsound? Please feel free to post as many Nagra pictures as you like. It's the only way we can get a complete history of Nagra items. A couple of things since that Dec 2016 post, a 1959 Nagra III has surfaced from a man in Belgium named Antoine Martens. He posted pictures of his 1959 Nagra III serial number 59105 Its on post #681 page 28 His Nagra serial # 59 105 is painted in the same wrinkle finish as the 1958 Nagra III, a Nagra II wrinkle type finish. I noticed your serial # 59 222 is now painted in the gray hammer-tone paint used on all Nagra III's we know today. So your post narrows down when the paint changed, somewhere between 105 and 222. It is too soon to tell if there was a serial number 400 in 1959. I think that is too high I would guess there was about 250 1959 serial numbers ended about 350 but only a guess, time will tell. I am finding out the past serial numbers that were released are not accrete since it was reported that 240 1958 Nagra III's were produced. That number has been debunked when a 1959 Nagra showed up with a 105 on it and now backed up by your serial number 59 222. Its clear that 240 produced for 1958 is the wrong number. Since you have one for each year can you list some of the differences that you have found that are not commonly known? Do you have any Nagras with tape direction arrows in red etched into the deck lid. Any of your recorders have the early head covers as shown in this picture below?. It looks like your 58 and 59 has them, is this correct? If the covers are removed it leaves space for the third head. You would never know bu looking at this picture. In this next picture of my 1958 Nagra III you can see the head covers are removed but can see the holes that were filled in. It is unknown if this was done at the factory or a former owner removed the head covers and added guides on the sides of the heads as the picture shows. On my 1958 the tape path is different from later Nagra III's. noted by the red arrows. On any of your early Nagra's do you see signs of the holes being filled as this next picture shows? It would probably be on the 1960 machine if any. On the 58th Nagra III ever produced its either Nagra was experimenting with the plexi tape guides and the red arrow tape paths or a later technician removed the head covers and added the later Nagra III guides on the sides of the head. Below is my latest serial number database that I started, it does not reflect the new numbers you have just presented. Again please feel free to share any information and post your pictures. You have a very nice collection of Nagra III's, they all look in excellent condition. Thank you
  5. Anybody want a rare Nagra QDAN? Last time I looked at this it auction I thought I saw more pictures and I thought one picture confirming it was serial number 91. The seller for some reason took some pictures down. Maybe because it shows some defects I don’t know, I was not paying much attention. Ask for more pictures and buy at your own risk, I do not know this seller. I’m only sharing an ebay auction of a very rare, one of a kind, Nixie tube product form Nagra. Some fine polishing compound works wonders on a Nagra III type finish, although I was lucky and it was not needed on the one pictured below. https://www.ebay.com/itm/NAGRA-KUDELSKI-TAKE-IDENTIFICATION-DECODER-QDAN-No-091/322962176389?hash=item4b320bb985:g:DzAAAOSwyXNaQ1bG I already have mine,
  6. Finding a nice clean Nagra III is hard to do, there is always a lot wrong with them cosmetically. I must have bought and sold 5 of them before finding two mint ones to keep. I only had one that didn’t work, what I find is most are all beat up but still work. Although, I don’t use them other than just proving everything works. I still check out just about every Nagra III that comes up for sale just to see if there are any differences in them. I still see some nice ones now and then. If you want I can post when I see a nice clean one up for sale or message you. I have three already and do not desire to own any others. Unless you like the idea of a project. But what it sounds like because of the battery leakage and wires disconnected you have nothing but problems in front of you. The plastic piece is only the obvious. When you do finally get it going the fact that the serial number is scratched out is a turnoff. Unless the outside is in really very good condition, it sounds like what you have is not worth fussing with. The first one I ever bought and the only one I bought not working was for 50.00; the battery acid was so bad on the inside it reached into just about every part of the unit. You can always sell it and start over. I never had any problem selling a Nagra III even the 50.00 dollar one sold for 95.00. I’m not sure how much you paid, but they can easily be had in working condition. It's the cosmetic condition that's hard to find. But all that being said I'm pretty fussy when it comes to a run of the mill Nagra III. Maybe you like fixing them up that's OK I understand that. I hope you'll find some answers here on Jwsound. In fact, there are probably people on here that have the part you need. Just know its easy to sell a Nagra III for parts and buy a real keeper. That's what I did.
  7. Well, I never had that problem on my 1962 Minico 3 inch recorder, the only recorder with a manual speed control on a rotating cam. This never needed any high price spring loaded bobbing crazy Swiss stuff. It recorded test, test, Merry Christmas, testing 123 just fine.
  8. What I would really like to know, who is that girl with you in your picture? My picture shows I'm lost in some dark alley while you're having fun with a hot girl. Just kidding, I know that's an Uher pamphlet. So this is your first Nagra, Its nice isn't it. That is how you feel when you first get a Nagra. The Nagra E is a very nice must have for any collector. Do you know what the E stands for? Now you have to look for 4.2 movie recorder. Your unit does not look all beat up, It looks good. If you get a red permanent fine tip marker you can just touch some of those nicks with the tip of the marker; it will make the nicked aluminum disappear. Don't do it too much, just touch it with the marker to the bright aluminum only be careful you only touch the bright aluminum and not the red otherwise it will show. Did you open it up and see if the tool kit is still inside? It's not a big deal if it's not. It's a wiring diagram folded up with a few parts inside, resistors, etc.
  9. I like that, the SN looks pretty nice on top of top of that unit, it looks like it could be some sort of spy device from a 60's movie.
  10. Congratulations Chris on the Nagra E , Yes the red color is great, much better and richer in person. Check France eBay for a blue one. Nagra made some special blue ones for Radio France.
  11. Hello, onno Thank you for posting. You have a very rare and desirable unit there, I read somewhere only 150 were made. I always wanted one of those but never had the opportunity. There was a nice manual on eBay not too long ago. Please post some more pictures of your collection if you would. I'll put it in the index on page one as the Onno Collection. Thanks again
  12. Mark C Yes, when I was waiting for my used Nagra IVS that I just bought to be delivered. It was not as exciting as the first iPhone back in 2008. I don't think too many people are all excited about the new iPhone today at 1,000.00. The professionals sound-men on this site are not going to tell you they were all giddy and excited when they bought their first Nagra IVS, even though they were. Another way to ask the question is, Does anyone remember how it was to first use the Nagra IVS? From what I recall, I remember reading Jeff said he liked his 4.2 better. I could be wrong.
  13. Jon, that new old stock lid, looks like an aftermarket large reel Nagra III lid. Unless I do not see it right. With the four holes across the front, it looks like the lid you show is for a Nagra III. There are two types of hinges for the IV, Nonremovable lid, and the removable lid. Depending on what hinges you have they both should fit the lid. But I can't identify the lid you show in this picture. Nagra did not make a completely flat across the top lid that I know of. Is that lid the same as the Velcro lid? The only lid I know that has the holes you show is for a Nagra III The original lid with the velcro can be wet sanded and buffed to a high gloss with plastic polish. Edit Although after looking at your pictures again, I have never seen a 4.2 with a Nagra III latch system. I guess if you look long enough you see everything. That is not an original Nagra set up for a 4.2 Someone drilled the holes in the 4.2 and added a Nagra III large reel lid to a 4.2 Sorry about that, not what you want to hear when you just buy a Nagra. I can't believe I just saw that. There is another way to look at it; you have a rare Nagra III crossover model that skipped over the IVL
  14. You can't mess up a Classic IV-S with screwing that counter to the deck. Well, you can, but should you? Can I ask what you use the IV-S for? Do you know the Nagra counter is settable?
  15. Phillip, that remark makes me want to post this video again, for those who may not have seen it. Doesn't it just make you want to own a Classic Nagra III? or am I missing something?
  16. They are not gold plated; they are brass. I cleaned the tarnish off of them. Later ones are nickel plated. I have seen both, brass and plated used throughout the years, even on the same recorder. Thank you for posting the paint pictures. I'll try and post my inside pictures when I get a chance. So now we have proof both 1958 and 1959 models were painted in the wrinkle finish paint, like the earlier Nagra II's. The 1960 model is the gray hammer tone as we know on all Nagra III's. We now know only about 100 1958's were made, I suspect very few 1959's were also made but time will tell. The earliest 1960 serial number I have found is 60 530. So let's keep on the lookout for early 1960 numbers. Sometimes finding the next model year helps to determine how many were made in the previous year. Just like your 1959 serial number let me know the 240 number of the total 1958 Nagra III's was false. The number 240 was probably translated wrong and was meant the 1958 and 1959 wrinkle finish Nagras about 240 were made.
  17. Thank you very much, Antoine Martens Your posting of a 1959 Nagra III with a number of 105 means that 240 units were not produced in 1958 as previously thought. Your serial number 59105 is only 47 units away from my 5858 So It was not possible to have 240 1958 models. It's now very possible they only had 100 1958 Nagra III's. They certainly did not have more than 104 1958 Nagra III's Also, Nagra was still using the early head covers at 105. Those head covers were used on serial number 5822 and 5828 But not on 5858. This tells me they may have used the head covers thru 1958 and into 1959. This is very interesting. I can't tell from your pictures, but the color of the insides of your recorder tells me it also still has the wrinkle paint finish as mine. Fascinating post, Antoine, I'm very glad you posted. Thank you for reading my thread and replying to my 1959 Nagra III questions. Two things became apparent today, proof there was a 1959 Nagra III, and proof there was not 240 1958 Nagra III's made. I added your machine to my growing Nagra III consecutive serial number database. Yours is the most important serial number to date. Could you post some pictures of the sides back and bottom? Also a complete picture of the reel deck top. Thank you very much.
  18. Thank you, Courtney, for that information, must be a pretty rare unit. I had to go back a few posts to try and figure out who James was. I'm Joseph Bond, James is my brother.
  19. A Truly amazing video taught himself too. Unbelievable quality from equipment used to the finished product. Thanks for sharing the video.
  20. Does anybody know what this Nagra item was used for? Nagra QDAN Take Identifier whatever that is. I saw one before shown below in Nagra's collection, so when I had the chance to buy one I did. I like the fact it has Nixie tubes and it's a Nagra. But what was it used for if?
  21. That's a nice looking cart Jon; I like the angled Nagra up top That looks great. Maybe the older cart Pillilip posted would be better with the Nagra III mixer and resolver scope thing. This type cart would go great with my large 7-inch reel 4.2 or IVS-T How would this cart be complete say in 1985 with the large reel Nagra on top and what equipment on the shelves below? Did anybody make a cart the same width of the Nagra straight down? Or is the other equipment that much wider? Can anybody list for me the items that would be needed below the Nagra to fill this type of cart? To be a perfect example of what the soundman would use on any given movie during that time? The reason I say list the items by name and model # so I can start to search for them. 1 2 3 4 5 It would be nice to find inexpensive outdated equipment that was used in that period so I can afford to put this together. In other words, if there was a choice between items still used today and Items used back then but no longer used today If you know what I mean to keep the cost down. A cart like this would work excellent showing my large reel Nagras, but without the equipment, on the shelves below, it would be useless for the purpose I'm looking for. For the Nagra III what I was talking about earlier I would use the Nagra III items I have. I don't like the fact that my large reel Nagras are hidden within the shelves of my collection. You guys know what I;m looking for right? The finished project will be a snapshot in time like what they would have if in the Smithsonian. In showing my collection, Instead of that puzzled stupid look like I'm making up the fact movies were recorded on these little things. I wheel over the cart and say this is how it looked back in 19whatever, the soundman would sit with this cart use these headphones and record the sound with these microphones for that favorite movie you love so much. Bam!! Now someone understands exactly what was involved and what was needed back in the day when these Nagras were used. I think that would make a nice addition. Hey, I never said I was normal a person.
  22. I thought I saw a post on sound carts but couldn't find it. Thank you for posting the link. Very nice Jeff - I'm impressed you get to play in the garage and be creative. Top notch work, you could've just picked up a can of Rustoleum, but you either had them powder coated or anodized, nice. Very nice write-up on your site about carts. It looks like everyone customizes their own. That 70's stock cart which is what I was looking for a picture of is not too impressive. Since most have customized their own. I think I'll end up making my own custom cart someday to store my Nagra with accessories and try to have it replicate a sound cart. Historically that vintage Samuelson would probably be more accurate as an early sound cart. Thank you for the incentive, and thank you, Phillip, for your help also.
  23. Thanks Phillip for your input. That's a good idea, I could just make the cables I didn't think of that. I guess I really don't have too many items that will go on the cart after all. Must have been bare bones carts back then compared to today. Finding some old photos here on Jwsound, from what I see I don't think carts were invented yet. At least they didn't have wheels on them. But they sure were mobile.
  24. I have an extra 1967 Nagra III and a bunch of Nagra III accessories that won't fit in my case. I would like to get a small roll around sound cart from the early 70's to add to my collection. My idea is to set it all up as it would be in actual use. The recorder, mixer, pads, pencils anything that would be utilized on a movie set back in the late 60's early 70's using a Nagra III. I know the Nagra IV or 4.2 was out then, but I have the Nagra III equipment already. Everything but the cables. I have to get all the cables etc.; It has to look like its all ready to go. I have both the Sennheiser MKH 815T and MKH 805 also. I want the set up to be a snapshot in time of how it was in use. I think it would be a nice addition to my collection. I wish I never sold my Sela mixer, but I plan to use a Nagra BM mixer to keep it all Nagra. What do you think? Maybe the things I have are not what was used on the cart. I don't know. Does anybody have any vintage pictures they can post of sound carts from the Nagra days? So maybe I can get some ideas? It can have any Nagra in the picture. I just want to see what it looked like back then. Today's carts are all lit up and computerized.
  25. Well, by my records Jeff and of course the use of my working index system on page one of Nagra Stories by clicking the back arrow, it was easy to look up. You listed it as used it in that movie. I could not find another movie in the list you did with it. You probably were sweating bullets thru the whole movie wondering what scene it was going to quit in. In fact, it sounds like it did quit on you in that movie based on you say it was your last movie with it. I guess I could have used better terms in offering to buy the machine from dela. Now after that build up, the machine is now famous and worth ten times more not working! And it wasn’t even your machine! I guess next time I want to buy something not working for a good deal I should probably leave your name out of it…… Until after I buy it! dela if I were you I would leave it not working, keep it in your collection and have the story Jeff Wexler used one just like it in the 1990 movie Clifford. He used it in that one movie and abandon it because these machines had so many problems. It will end up as one of the prizes in your collection even not working. Or sell it to me and let me do it. It's a beautiful machine who cares if it works for 10 minutes then eats the tape after many hours of trying to fix it, the story is the value. It's all how you look at things.
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