OmahaAudio Posted December 25, 2012 Report Share Posted December 25, 2012 I believe Ben Franklin said it best: "Those who give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty or safety." He also said, "Hunger is the best pickle." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henchman Posted December 25, 2012 Report Share Posted December 25, 2012 I see there are several of you who would have no problem seeing a repeat of 9/11 or Lockerbie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henchman Posted December 25, 2012 Report Share Posted December 25, 2012 It seems that Henchman has no problem with anything the government wants to do just so he can feel all warm & fuzzy. I believe Ben Franklin said it best: "Those who give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty or safety." Eric How anybody can equate getting searched at an airport to make sure they don't get blown out of the sky by a maniac, is beyond me. But it's the same people, who would advocate having armed guards in schools. So go figure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted December 25, 2012 Report Share Posted December 25, 2012 To return to the original intent of this topic, there is an interesting new book out that talks about how we decide on the groups we chose based on our beliefs. Here's a link: http://www.amazon.com/The-Righteous-Mind-Politics-Religion/dp/0307377903/ref=reg_hu-rd_add_1_dp. From the website: Why can’t our political leaders work together as threats loom and problems mount? Why do people so readily assume the worst about the motives of their fellow citizens? In The Righteous Mind, social psychologist Jonathan Haidt explores the origins of our divisions and points the way forward to mutual understanding. His starting point is moral intuition—the nearly instantaneous perceptions we all have about other people and the things they do. These intuitions feel like self-evident truths, making us righteously certain that those who see things differently are wrong. Haidt shows us how these intuitions differ across cultures, including the cultures of the political left and right. He blends his own research findings with those of anthropologists, historians, and other psychologists to draw a map of the moral domain, and he explains why conservatives can navigate that map more skillfully than can liberals. He then examines the origins of morality, overturning the view that evolution made us fundamentally selfish creatures. But rather than arguing that we are innately altruistic, he makes a more subtle claim—that we are fundamentally groupish. It is our groupishness, he explains, that leads to our greatest joys, our religious divisions, and our political affiliations. In a stunning final chapter on ideology and civility, Haidt shows what each side is right about, and why we need the insights of liberals, conservatives, and libertarians to flourish as a nation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted December 25, 2012 Report Share Posted December 25, 2012 To answer the question of my opinion on this, it seems that we self-delude to the point that no amount of contradicting information will change our minds. Very discouraging. But, watch a debate. Rarely does either side change their position by the end of the debate. I do think more people who feel certain weapons should not be accessible to the general public are speaking up as a result of this recent tragedy. Perhaps it just makes more people break their silence, which makes for more of the electorate expressing a viewpoint, which causes politicians to pay attention, and laws then change. My 2 cents. Matt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Toline Posted December 25, 2012 Report Share Posted December 25, 2012 How anybody can equate getting searched at an airport to make sure they don't get blown out of the sky by a maniac, is beyond me. But it's the same people, who would advocate having armed guards in schools. So go figure. Nice try but there's absolutely no connection between those two statements except in your mind. Eric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henchman Posted December 25, 2012 Report Share Posted December 25, 2012 Nice try but there's absolutely no connection between those two statements except in your mind. Eric Wanna bet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Steigerwald Posted December 25, 2012 Report Share Posted December 25, 2012 "Exactly two things have made airplane travel safer since 9/11: reinforcing the cockpit door, and convincing passengers they need to fight back. Everything else has been a waste of money." http://www.schneier.com/essay-330.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Toline Posted December 25, 2012 Report Share Posted December 25, 2012 Wanna bet? Sure. Let's hear your argument about the connection rather than just posting "wanna bet." Eric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afewmoreyears Posted December 25, 2012 Report Share Posted December 25, 2012 This ought to fuel some conversation.... This ought to be good reading.... ( the thread) Read this... How dumb.... how dangerous, not to the people posted, but those that are not... http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/25/new-york-journal-news-gun-owners-westchester-rockland-counties_n_2362530.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henchman Posted December 25, 2012 Report Share Posted December 25, 2012 "Exactly two things have made airplane travel safer since 9/11: reinforcing the cockpit door, and convincing passengers they need to fight back. Everything else has been a waste of money." http://www.schneier.com/essay-330.html Care to elaborate where a would be bomber is going to hide his tools of destruction if we get rid of pat downs and body scanners? Maybe you can elaborate on the number of planes blown up by woud be terrorists since patrons and body scanners were introduced. You know why the 9/11 terrorists got through security armed with cutting tools? Because back then these items weren't considered dangerous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henchman Posted December 25, 2012 Report Share Posted December 25, 2012 Sure. Let's hear your argument about the connection rather than just posting "wanna bet." Eric You yourself want more guns in circulation. Do you want armedd guards at schools? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afewmoreyears Posted December 26, 2012 Report Share Posted December 26, 2012 Care to elaborate where a would be bomber is going to hide his tools of destruction if we get rid of pat downs and body scanners? Maybe you can elaborate on the number of planes blown up by woud be terrorists since patrons and body scanners were introduced. You know why the 9/11 terrorists got through security armed with cutting tools? Because back then these items weren't considered dangerous. Got on a flight from Prague to NY, they went over everyone very carefully .... scan, xray...pat downs etc.... Then an hour into the flight they gave everyone on the plane a 6 in. metal serrated steak knife... with the meal... I was and still am shocked... so much for that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Steigerwald Posted December 26, 2012 Report Share Posted December 26, 2012 Care to elaborate where a would be bomber is going to hide his tools of destruction if we get rid of pat downs and body scanners? Maybe any of the ones that currently work? http://www.schneier...._shows_tsa.html Maybe you can elaborate on the number of planes blown up by woud be terrorists since patrons and body scanners were introduced. Maybe I can elaborate on the number of alien invasions since I switched from Pepsi to Coke. Without any kind of hard numbers to back it up, such ambiguous correlations are meaningless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Toline Posted December 26, 2012 Report Share Posted December 26, 2012 You yourself want more guns in circulation. Do you want agreed guards at schools? Sure, more guns help with the economy and keep factorys humming meaning more people are working. What's an "agreed" guard? Eric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henchman Posted December 26, 2012 Report Share Posted December 26, 2012 Maybe any of the ones that currently work? http://www.schneier...._shows_tsa.html Maybe I can elaborate on the number of alien invasions since I switched from Pepsi to Coke. Without any kind of hard numbers to back it up, such ambiguous correlations are meaningless. FYI, the scanners they use in Europe do a full 360 scan. And your example about switching to Coke is irrelevant. As when you we drinking Pepsi, there were no alien invasions to start. With heightening of airport security over the decades, hijackings have diminished. Since 9/11 the number of planes blown out of the sky by terrorists is pretty much non-existent. I will again repeat what I have said before. The number of things caught by the TSA that the public doesn't hear about is staggering. My wife worked in airport security in Vancouver, and knows this first hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Toline Posted December 26, 2012 Report Share Posted December 26, 2012 This ought to fuel some conversation.... This ought to be good reading.... ( the thread) Read this... How dumb.... how dangerous, not to the people posted, but those that are not... http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/25/new-york-journal-news-gun-owners-westchester-rockland-counties_n_2362530.html I just wonder what Henchman would do if his local newspaper printed such a list and he found out he was surrounded by firearms owners (which he probably is). Eric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henchman Posted December 26, 2012 Report Share Posted December 26, 2012 Sure, more guns help with the economy and keep factorys humming meaning more people are working. What's an "agreed" guard? Eric Ah, now you want to argue semantics? I guess you proved my point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henchman Posted December 26, 2012 Report Share Posted December 26, 2012 I just wonder what Henchman would do if his local newspaper printed such a list and he found out he was surrounded by firearms owners (which he probably is). Eric I would do nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Toline Posted December 26, 2012 Report Share Posted December 26, 2012 Ah, now you want to argue semantics? I guess you proved my point. What were you trying to say that you used "agreed?" and what point would that be? Eric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henchman Posted December 26, 2012 Report Share Posted December 26, 2012 Here's a little graphic that pretty clearly shows the correlation between stricter gun laws and gun related deaths. http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/07/20/gun-violence.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henchman Posted December 26, 2012 Report Share Posted December 26, 2012 What were you trying to say that you used "agreed?" and what point would that be? Eric Your want armed guards in schools. You also would do away with patdowns and body scanners. Better to risk the chance of getting blown out of the sky, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundslikejustin Posted December 26, 2012 Report Share Posted December 26, 2012 What were you trying to say that you used "agreed?" and what point would that be? Eric I think he meant 'armed' guards, Eric. Typo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Toline Posted December 26, 2012 Report Share Posted December 26, 2012 Eric Toline, on 25 December 2012 - 07:34 PM, said: I just wonder what Henchman would do if his local newspaper printed such a list and he found out he was surrounded by firearms owners (which he probably is). Eric I would do nothing. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Then I guess you would have no objection to your next door neighboor putting this up in his yard? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henchman Posted December 26, 2012 Report Share Posted December 26, 2012 Eric Toline, on 25 December 2012 - 07:34 PM, said: I just wonder what Henchman would do if his local newspaper printed such a list and he found out he was surrounded by firearms owners (which he probably is). Eric I would do nothing. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Then I guess you would have no objection to your next door neighboor putting this up in his yard? Nope. I would sue his ass though, if anything happened though. I think he meant 'armed' guards, Eric. Typo. Stupid ipad auto correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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