Pricing Information-Used Equipment

[Nicole Hankerson]

Just wondering what is a good used price range for the following used items?

Lectrosonics CR185/M185 wireless mic system w/AC supply

Lectrosonics UH200C PlugOn transmitter BLOCK 22 LECTRO

Lectrosonics 210D Wireless System Block 22 (tx & rx)

Wondering what most here would consider reasonable and not overly priced for the above Lectrosonics productions.

Thanks

Nicole

[Eric Toline]

Just wondering what is a good used price range for the following used items?

Lectrosonics CR185/M185 wireless mic system w/AC supply

Lectrosonics UH200C PlugOn transmitter BLOCK 22 LECTRO

Lectrosonics 210D Wireless System Block 22 (tx & rx)

Wondering what most here would consider reasonable and not overly priced for the above Lectrosonics productions.

Thanks

Nicole

Used 185 sets seem to be going for $4-500 which is a fair price. There's a lot more room for negotiating on used gear than new.

Eric

[Nicole Hankerson]

@Eric thanks for the response. I might be able to get the CR185 for 100 bucks thats the only reason why I would buy it being its only 1 frequency. Use it as a backup wireless.

Lectrosonics 210D(563.200-588.700) 799 pretty reasonable?

My main concern is when is it priced to much.

Thanks

Nicole

[Eric Toline]

Check out the consignment listings at Trewaudio.com. While the 185 is only one frequency it's in the VHF band and that's pretty empty for the most part. The preferred frequencys in the VHF band are 169-171mhz, used to be known as the traveling frequencys as there was never a lot of traffic on those bands in the U.S.

Eric

[Nicole Hankerson]

@ Eric yeah I looked over at trewaudio but also wanted to have a back up source(asking on here) as well before making an investment. I can't afford the 400 series Lectrosonics yet but I was told if purchased I should consider the 200 series.

Nicole

[jason porter]

Trew Audio has a Micron VHF Quad pack (includes everything you need!) for an amazing price.

You have probably never used Microns (not too popular in the USA) but they sound great, a 9V battery lasts 8 hours, you can power a shotgun from the Tx (for wireless boom)  and they are built to last.

[Nicole Hankerson]

@Jason Porter yeah I'm no way familar with that Quad Pack. I did see that but didn't know much about it. So thats 4 tx/rx? I would have 4 wireless sets or am I missing something here?

Thanks

Nicole

[studiomprd]

" My main concern is when is it priced to much. "

I'm concerned when stuff is priced too low, also!

with used equipment, there are a lot of factors to consider; how much you will pay is only one, and who are you buying it from is another.

once again, our production sound equipment stores can check out the equipment to insure that it ooperates properly, and sometimes offer some warranty.  They usually price the equipment fairly, but of course when used gear is offered on consignment, the actual owner sets the price.  there is always the chance to negotiate on pricing, as well...

As to the fixed frequency units, they can be excellent choices, and great performers, but it is always a good idea to expect one to get "hit", so alternates are a good idea.  The VHF frequencies are frequently pretty clear and I am personally having a lot of success with fixed frequency VHF and UHF gear for myself and students.

Lectrosonics' 200 series was an industry favorite for years, and is certainly s good choice, and their 185/187/190/195 series' were also once top choices, though they are fixed frequencies. While not as popular in the USA, the Micron systems were top notch,(and expensive!) and yes, a quad pack means 4 transmitters and 4 receivers = four wireless systems, but be careful, as sometimes the quad packs are sold without the actual TX's and RX's, as they were originally an accessory sold along with the TX's and RX's.  

[Nicole Hankerson]

@studiomprd Thanks for the information. Im going to call Trew Audio and get some more information on the quad system. So make sure its all the same and original correct?

Thanks

Nicole

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[FSBELLA]

@Eric thanks for the response. I might be able to get the CR185 for 100 bucks thats the only reason why I would buy it being its only 1 frequency. Use it as a backup wireless.

Lectrosonics 210D(563.200-588.700) 799 pretty reasonable?

My main concern is when is it priced to much.

Thanks

Nicole

Nicole,

my 2c- the VHF for $100 ? do you know the seller? correct me here senator, but is that system over 10 yrs old?

was it from a rental house or a single owner/user, the thought there is, if it is from a rental house -it could have been banged around a bit. if a owner- could have had a little bit more tender loving care.

but if the system sounds good and has some decent range for your application (100'-200') and the seller will give you at least a week for a money back warranty- you should do it.

the 210 system you should get the combo (RX,TX & Plug on TX) for a 1000. and how do the freqs work for you in

ATL? and all the same applies for this system as the VHF. warranty,the seller, demo time etc.

hoped that helped. $100 for a lectro VHF is pretty damn good as a backup unit for emergencies when yr UHF might have interference, or when you need to mic up that sudden extra talent etc.

good luck,

Frank

www.audiodepartment.tv

[FSBELLA]

@studiomprd Thanks for the information. Im going to call Trew Audio and get some more information on the quad system. So make sure its all the same and original correct?

Thanks

Nicole

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Nicole,

ask them if they will warranty or repair the Micron systems for you. you might want to check out the lectro venue field system. I have not had time to see the price on the micron quad on consignment yet.

Senator, wasn't that the issue mainly with micron wireless, there really is not any vendor in the states to repair them. I remember we had to ship them to England for any repair issues.

ttyl-

[soundtrane]

Dear Nicole, you need to spend some time to figure out what the Micron wireless is all about. For that matter, what wireless systems are all about in terms of how they get packaged into products for our use. Please don't get me wrong. I am trying to tell you that you need to know just about enough about what YOU need, as well as WHAT IS AVAILABLE from various manufacturers. Quite obviously, the makers of all this gear will not make something that people like us will find useless. However, they also make many options so that people like us - the users - will have more than one way to get what we want. The bottom line is that we need our equipment for a specific purpose - and their bottom line is to meet this purpose in more than one way.

To give you an example - a QUAD PACK from Micron. Name self-suggests it is 4 x something. Then you go to Trew Audio (online) and see what it says:

<<<< Micron Non-Diversity VHF Quad Pack. Includes (4) Micron MR510 receivers with ADA-114-1 antenna distribution and MBS 2 battery distribution, (3) whip antennas, Yagi Antenna, 8xAA battery sled, high gain antenna, (2) Larsen whip antennas, (4) BNCRA-BNCRA, (5) Tuchel to Tuchel cables,road case, (3) 501 transmitters, 101 transmitter, (4) leather pouches, (4) whip antennas, (2) Black Tram TR-50s, White Tram TR-50, (3) Windscreens, (4) Tie Tacs, (3) Tie Clips, (3) cable holders, (3) boundary layer tape downs and (2) vampire clips. Frequency: 202.1, 198.6, 203.21, 200.62  >>>>

This is from the website.

Obviously it states the presence of 4 Rx and 4 tx.

Now take a look at the picture - you see a metal case with foam and 4 units inserted. Now, this is the receiver system. All 4 Rx are integrated into one small case. Now read more into the description of the item for sale. "ADA-114-1 antenna distribution and MBS 2 battery distribution" - this says that the RF input to all 4 Rx are handled by this unit ADA-114-1 and the DC powering to the 4 Rx is handled by the MBS 2 unit.

Now, if you feel all this is too cumbersome, I dont know what to tell you. If i am nice, i will say, go to trew or talk to them and they will "guide" you. if i am feeling like giving you a hard time - i will say "go and get a good education in the practice of our hallowed art - by joining a class, or by working under a sound mixer".

I feel that YOU can learn a lot anyways. Oh man, you are in the US! Sitting here, 20000 miles away, I have learned a lot. I have a tenth of the access you have to people, shops, gear, etc. I had to do it the real hard way and i still do - i keep at it - eat think talk breathe sleep production sound and whatever it takes to get it. I spend HOURS learning every single day. If i can know all this without being anywhere close to all the gear and all the people who use it big time, I am sure you can.

Please put in more effort into what you are passionate about. That is if you actually are passionate about it.

Forgive me if i am being trite or abusive in any way.

-vin

Bombay, India

+919930903737

[Nicole Hankerson]

@FSBELLA I actually looked at the listing wrong. The starting price is 100 bucks when I looked at it from my phone I thought it said BIN. But the guy did say if I had any FQ issues or problems he would accept a return for the item and that he is the owner and it has the original pamphlet, power adapter, case, etc..Looked really well taken care of. But we shall see how that goes.

@Vin No offense/harm taken from your post. Trust and believe I am looking around and asking. If I get confused and from researching I don't find what I'm looking for or it doesn't make sense then Im going to ask. Point blank. But thanks for taking the time out to post to my ad.

Thanks

Nicole

[soundtrane]

Nicole, you need to burn a few brain calories. Maybe take Senator Mike Michael's class.

-vin

[Nicole Hankerson]

@Vin will look into that.

Thanks

Nicole

[soundtrane]

quoting myself:

Now, if you feel all this is too cumbersome, I dont know what to tell you. If i am nice, i will say, go to trew or talk to them and they will "guide" you. if i am feeling like giving you a hard time - i will say "go and get a good education in the practice of our hallowed art - by joining a class, or by working under a sound mixer". >>>>>

-vin

[Jim Gilchrist]

To add to Vin's earlier post, the Microns were fine systems in their day. I owned several, and they served me well. But some research is in order. I'll give you what little info I have.

From my recollection of the freq's listed, these units are on either TV 10 or TV 11. Are these open channels in your primary work area?

The transmitter inputs are 8 pin Lemo connectors. They are durable but expensive should you need to add mics, make custom input cables, etc. The antenna connectors are single pin Lemos as well, not the more common SMA's.

The receivers can be used outside of the quad rack, but have no battery compartment, so they will always need external power. The power connectors are 5 pin Preh connectors. And the audio output connectors are 3 pin Preh connectors. The receiver outputs are mic level only.

Another concern is service. You need to be assured they can be worked on in the US unless you won't mind shipping them to the UK for alignment, etc. There may be a service outlet in Canada. It's worth knowing before you make a commitment to these units. The 101 TX is most likely pretty old, so this may be a concern.

Best regards,

Jim

[studiomprd]

if the seller is the original owner, and offering you a return in case the Lectro doesn't work, that is good.

units that came from rental, or installations may have mileage, but may still be an excellent value, when the price is right; if it has been working for a long time, and is working now, the chances are that it will keep working...

" Senator, wasn't that the issue mainly with micron wireless, there really is not any vendor in the states to repair them " correct!! also, the non-industry standard and expensive connectors can be a drag...

" but is that system over 10 yrs old? "

the 185's came out in the late '80's..(that is late in the 1980's!!) they were great systems then, and they are still good sounding performers if your frequency is clear.  check the TV channels in your planned area (more homework...) as the VHF units you mention are not frequency agile; and of course, even if there is no TV station on the channel, there is lots of other interference that will vary from place to place, and time to time...all that being said, I'm finding these systems to still be useful, as most wireless users have moved to UHF...YMMV, of course.

" Dear Nicole, you need to spend some time to figure out what the Micron wireless is all about. For that matter, what wireless systems are all about in terms of how they get packaged into products for our use.   "

now as to education: Johnny One Note wants to remind you that the wireless manufacturers have some excellent resources on their web sites.  someone recently posted a link (on jwsound, IIRC) to an excellent source of white papers on wireless mic's from a non affiliated authority, too... (sorry, I haven't the time to look up the link for you...but try doing a search...

you really do need to do a lot of this homework yourself, as much of the info you needed about the Micron was actually there; one of the things about our dealers here is that you can count on them for honest helpful advice, and fair pricing.  So talking with them about their used items would qualify as following Johnny's standard advice...eBay, maybe not!

" go to Trew or talk to them and they will "guide" you. " Johnny agrees, this is what they are in business for, and this is also why you need to be shopping with production sound specialists (vs. MI specialists), and also a case where Oleg's solution is not appropriate.

[Philip Perkins]

I'm selling some wireless right now (through Trew), and I priced them by considering the units' age, how visibly worn they are, what freq. block they are in relative to what is usable in most USA cities anymore, the fact that I'm the original owner of those units, the availability of service and advice for them, and a fairly deep comparison shop on the web etc for what other similar units were going for, as well as advice from Skylor @ Trew.  In buying any wireless, used, new, for mics, IFB or monitor there is a lot of research needed to come up with systems that will fill your present and future needs and navigate the minefield of the current RF spectrum.  There is, finally, some dice-rolling involved in terms of the future of the RF spectrum usage--some FCC research re:"white space" issues etc. is important too.

Philip Perkins

[Nicole Hankerson]

@Philip Perkins is your listing posted yet? What wireless are you selling?

Thanks

Nicole

[Philip Perkins]

I have some 205Ds @ Trew Nashville.

Philip Perkins

[Nicole Hankerson]

@Philip Perkins Have you ever had a chance to use the Lectrosonics LMa? I was considering that and either a 100 series or 200 series receiver to go with it. Been reading up and looking it all day long. It use to be the Lectrosonics Lm but its the LMa now. Didn't see much of a difference but from what I read its a budgeted version of the UM400a(correct me if I'm wrong). I like the reviews and what I read. I'm aimed at the Block 21 because that FQ seems to be ok here in Atlanta, GA. But any insite would be great.

Thanks

Nicole

[Philip Perkins]

If you are going to use Lectro analog receivers then you might as well use the transmitters that went with them (UM200c)--probably cheaper and probably better range (100mw vs 50 for the LMa).  A lot of what you are paying for in the LMa (digital hybrid technology) you won't have the benefit of since you will have to use it in "200" or "100" mode with the older RX.  I don't really recommend the 100 for a working sound person--not having diversity antennas on your RX is a serious disadvantage anymore.  100s I recommend to one-man-band filmmakers who are never more than a few feet away from the talent with the TX.

Philip Perkins

[studiomprd]

" the Lectrosonics LMa? "

Nicole: do a search!

take Johnny's advice!!

and remember: it isn't just the arrows, it is the Archer!!

[Nicole Hankerson]

@studio I did research it. I felt like getting an opinion which im entitled to. If I have questions Im going to ask.

Thanks

Nicole

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