lightsofjuarez Posted July 29, 2013 Report Share Posted July 29, 2013 Hi guys, I have a shoot coming up and the production wants to use the Denecke TS-3 smart slate and I'm trying to jam it using my Sound Devices 664 but I'm have issues. I've used the TS-C slate before and jammed using a lemo cable and everything worked great but this is the first time I've used the TS-3. I've set the TS-3's slate rotary knob to 23 frames per second and put it in the read mode but when I power cycle it trying to jam from my 664 the screen just goes blank after it says rEAd. I have a feeling it has to do with my settings on the 664 which I have set to: Sync Reference: Internal Timecode Mode: Free Run Frame Rate: 23.976 Hold Off: 0.0s Set Generator TC: 00:00:00:00 Set Ubits: 07:28:2013 If anyone could offer any ideas or solutions it would be a huge help and relief on my part! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccsnd Posted July 29, 2013 Report Share Posted July 29, 2013 Have you tried reading the manual? I'm willing to bet the answer to the question "How do I use this?" lies there... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lightsofjuarez Posted July 29, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 29, 2013 Read both the 664 manual as well as the Denecke manual and checking the 664 forums, the Denecke site, watching their "how to use video" too and yet...still no luck. Thus, why I'm asking here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundslikejustin Posted July 29, 2013 Report Share Posted July 29, 2013 Check your cable from the 664 to the slate is wired correctly. Generally, TC cables are wired one-way - you may be attempting to send TC using a receive cable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
audio911 Posted July 29, 2013 Report Share Posted July 29, 2013 You'll need a BNC to 1/4" Tip/Sleeve cable. Output the TC from the 664 to the BNC split cable for Timecode I/O, put a BNC barrel adapter on the TC out portion, and connect your BNC to 1/4" Tip/Sleeve to the slate. Make sure your jam button is switched to "OFF" before plugging in the 1/4". You should see numbers moving. Switch jam button on slate to "ON" and unplug the 1/4" cable. Works for me... Steve Wytas www.audio911.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
audio911 Posted July 29, 2013 Report Share Posted July 29, 2013 Uh, I'm using a TS2 slate with the TS3 guts... SW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPSharman Posted July 29, 2013 Report Share Posted July 29, 2013 I set my SD machines on 24hr run - it sets TC at time of day. TC out needs to go to tip of 1/4" mono to jam the TS3. There is a toggle switch on the TS3. Flip it the other way (run instead of read). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Wielage Posted July 29, 2013 Report Share Posted July 29, 2013 Ah, if the TS3 comes up in REad, then the switch inside the battery compartment may be set the wrong way. It should just jam automatically if the TC source and slate are both in 23.98 mode. Make sure that switch is set to Run, not Read: You want position #4, then the Run/Read switch to Run. You can also call Denecke (new number: 661-607-0206) and they can talk you through it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Mayer Posted July 29, 2013 Report Share Posted July 29, 2013 As Mark said, if the display shows rEAd, your TS-3 is set to read an incoming signal, not jam to it. If the slate doesn't show running numbers in this mode with the sticks open, something is wrong with your input cable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Blankenship Posted July 29, 2013 Report Share Posted July 29, 2013 Yep, what Marc and Matt said. Read is not for jamming, it is for things like reading continuous incoming time code such as when you're doing playback for a music video. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lightsofjuarez Posted July 29, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 29, 2013 Thanks for all the responses. Unfortunately, I believe it's the bnc to 1/4 I'm trying to use. After switching the slate to the "run" mode, I'm no longer getting the rEAd error and the slate is set to the right frame rate but it just isn't jamming automatically to the 664's TC like it should. It keeps starting at 00:58:30:01 everytime. I'm guessing the cable I'm using is just wired the wrong direction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Blankenship Posted July 29, 2013 Report Share Posted July 29, 2013 If you have everything set properly (frame rates, drop/non-drop, etc.) and have the slate set to "run" and are jamming with proper procedure (turn slate off, plug in jam cable, turn slate on and let it boot up fully), then I'd definitely suspect the cable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studiomprd Posted July 29, 2013 Report Share Posted July 29, 2013 Both Denecke and SD are open now... though it really reads like the Denecke is not seeing TC from the SD...that would suggest: troubleshooting 101 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPSharman Posted July 29, 2013 Report Share Posted July 29, 2013 Yup. TC cable is probably wired the other way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Wielage Posted July 30, 2013 Report Share Posted July 30, 2013 I always carry a spare TC cable in the slate box. Haven't had to use it yet, but crap can happen. I'm not a fan of those Y-connector cables that have Lemo -> XLR male & XLR female (which I see widely used), so I had a custom Lemo out -> 1/4" plug cable made so there's absolutely no chance I'll grab the wrong end. The Lemo's are a connector I'm not competent enough to wire myself, so those I have to get done for me. When in doubt, I always carry a little powered speaker for test purposes so I can run TC out and just momentarily check that there is a signal there. Troubleshooting stuff like this, especially in fast-paced situations, is really important. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Blankenship Posted July 30, 2013 Report Share Posted July 30, 2013 I agree with Marc. Backups and preparedness are among the hallmarks of a pro. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundslikejustin Posted July 30, 2013 Report Share Posted July 30, 2013 I agree with Marc. Backups and preparedness are among the hallmarks of a pro. Unless you're McGyver. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Blankenship Posted July 30, 2013 Report Share Posted July 30, 2013 Unless you're McGyver. I'm guessing that's what the chewing gum's for (In another thread). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ze Frias Posted July 30, 2013 Report Share Posted July 30, 2013 I'm guessing that's what the chewing gum's for (In another thread). I chuckled.. hard.. good use of cross-referencing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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