Ronen Posted September 18 Report Share Posted September 18 Just recently purchased a second hand MKH30 to pair with my existing MKH50 for stereo MS ambiences, and it seems like windshields for this set up are not a common thing for some reason. I am sure i'm not alone using (or trying to use) this set up for stereo MS in the field, so show me your set ups please I could set it up on my Rycote Nano Shield but the two mics seem too tall since the nano shield is a flat oval shaped blimp, or could purchase something new or fabricate something maybe. I also own an INV 7 suspension which could hold the two mics probably but i'd still need to find some windshield that fits two mics like that. I was hoping to have it in some blimp since they handle weather better than softie type windshields. I am not planning at the moment to have this on a boom, only on a little portable tripod. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Documentary Sound Guy Posted September 18 Report Share Posted September 18 My setup is MKH30+60, but I think my experience should mostly be relevant to your situation. My first attempt used a 3D-printed back-to-back clip that I found online inside a Rycote Zeppelin. It worked ok, but was very prone to handling noise. The issues is that two mics are heavier than one (especially the chunky MKH series), and suspensions are designed for one mic — half the weight. I eventually broke down and purchased the Rycote Cyclone that was specifically designed for those two microphones. That was an improvement, but the whole thing was quite heavy. That rig got stolen, so I've now ended up with a Cinela Piano (again, set up specifically for these two mics), which is by far the best rig I've had. Handling noise has been solved, and it's lighter than the Rycote solution. Long story short: It's expensive, but get the custom-fitted Zeppelin from Cinela (or Rycote, if you prefer) ... it works much better than a jury-rigged mount in a zeppelin designed for just one mic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronen Posted September 18 Author Report Share Posted September 18 Ok, thanks for that tip, since i am not planning to handle this on a book and to only rescues ambiances i don't think I'll be too worried with handling noise. I will need to have a solution for wind though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Documentary Sound Guy Posted September 18 Report Share Posted September 18 In that case, the Rode zeppelin may be adequate ... it's quite large, and I can confirm that I was able to fit an MKH30+60 in it, mounted back-to-back and installed in the stock suspension. It's certainly much cheaper than a full Cinela setup. For mounting the microphones to each other, Rycote back-to-back clips should work, or you could try the 3D printed design that I had originally. I got that from someone doing business as JM Acoustic: http://jmacoustic.com/Products/MS/ms.html The clip I used had model # MZD30, but it no longer seems to be visible on his site, and the storefront that he sells through seems to be down at the moment. I had a good experience with him, and he'd probably print you a custom part if you told him what you wanted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronen Posted September 19 Author Report Share Posted September 19 That 3D printing website looking very good! Rode blimp is a huge monster for those two small mics though. Thank you very much for your help, i really appreciate it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Immoral Mr Teas Posted September 19 Report Share Posted September 19 15 hours ago, The Documentary Sound Guy said: In that case, the Rode zeppelin may be adequate ... it's quite large, 5 hours ago, Ronen said: Rode blimp is a huge monster for those two small mics though. Do Rode do a larger blimp I haven't seen - I don't see anything but their 'WS4' size on their website, nothing like a Rycote AD-AF size stereo blimp ... The Rode zepp I see seems no larger (perhaps even smaller?) than a WS4 and I would not describe that as either 'quite large' nor 'a huge monster' for two 25mm diameter mics mounted back to back. Shame there doesn't seem to be any 'liquidation sales' for Rycote going on east Atlantic ... I'd recommend picking up a stereo WS size AE (or AD or AF) to tripod mount your 50/30 combo ... J Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Documentary Sound Guy Posted September 19 Report Share Posted September 19 I think the major difference is that the Rode blimp is significantly wider than the classic Rycote line, which is helpful when stacking two chunky MKH mics (and essential when stacking them in a lyre that is intended for a single mic). It's definitely on the long side for a 30+50 combo, but I don't think the extra length hurts anything. If you are worried about the blimp being too long, just suck it up and buy a custom-fitted model. You'll thank yourself for having the better suspension. Also, on the topic of handling noise, not only did I hear boom noise, but the stereo cable was very sensitive to noise. For example, could hear a leaf brushing against the cable 10' down from the blimp. With my Cinela blimp, the cable is still more sensitive than a mono cable, but it's significantly better than my Rode or Rycote setups. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalton Patterson Posted September 19 Report Share Posted September 19 I love it how there are NO pictures in this “show me” thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisP Posted September 20 Report Share Posted September 20 I use a modified Rode Blimp for my Double-M/S Rig ( MKH30 /MKH8050 /MKH8040) . The whole thing is quite heavy but as I use it only for anmbience recording weight and handling noise do not matter. The Rode Blimp has been shortened to fit in my backpack ( an idea of Watson Wu see: https://www.watsonwu.com/blog/2014/5/2/mini-me-rode-blimp ) The clips to hold the mics together are selfmade out of metal tools-holder. My regular MS set for outdoor booming on documentaries consists of MKH8060 and a SCHOEPS 8 in a Cinela basket. Works great, very light with minimal handling noises. Pictures might follow when i'm back from hollydays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TVPostSound Posted September 21 Report Share Posted September 21 On 9/19/2024 at 4:05 AM, The Immoral Mr Teas said: Do Rode do a larger blimp I haven't seen - I don't see anything but their 'WS4' size on their website, nothing like a Rycote AD-AF size stereo blimp ... The Rode zepp I see seems no larger (perhaps even smaller?) than a WS4 and I would not describe that as either 'quite large' nor 'a huge monster' for two 25mm diameter mics mounted back to back. Shame there doesn't seem to be any 'liquidation sales' for Rycote going on east Atlantic ... I'd recommend picking up a stereo WS size AE (or AD or AF) to tripod mount your 50/30 combo ... J https://www.reddingaudioshop.com/rycote-liquidation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronen Posted September 23 Author Report Share Posted September 23 On 9/20/2024 at 10:34 PM, chrisP said: I use a modified Rode Blimp for my Double-M/S Rig ( MKH30 /MKH8050 /MKH8040) . The whole thing is quite heavy but as I use it only for anmbience recording weight and handling noise do not matter. The Rode Blimp has been shortened to fit in my backpack ( an idea of Watson Wu see: https://www.watsonwu.com/blog/2014/5/2/mini-me-rode-blimp ) The clips to hold the mics together are selfmade out of metal tools-holder. My regular MS set for outdoor booming on documentaries consists of MKH8060 and a SCHOEPS 8 in a Cinela basket. Works great, very light with minimal handling noises. Pictures might follow when i'm back from hollydays. Now that seems like a very reasonable solution for me Thanks! On 9/21/2024 at 6:53 AM, TVPostSound said: https://www.reddingaudioshop.com/rycote-liquidation I could consider that as well, but I'm located in Europe and i think even if they send it to me it'll be too expensive with customs and taxes. Didn't see any liquidation sales in Spain, where I'm located. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richtrohr Posted October 1 Report Share Posted October 1 I‘m using a MKH8030/8050 combo inside the fitting Cinela Zephyx and can highly recommend it. It’s like throwing money at a problem to have other people solve it properly without causing you headaches. It fits inside a backpack and is always ready to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronen Posted October 2 Author Report Share Posted October 2 19 hours ago, Richtrohr said: I‘m using a MKH8030/8050 combo inside the fitting Cinela Zephyx and can highly recommend it. It’s like throwing money at a problem to have other people solve it properly without causing you headaches. It fits inside a backpack and is always ready to go. That's definitely the right way to do it, though I'm not sure I'll go for it, or, not yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisP Posted Saturday at 05:20 PM Report Share Posted Saturday at 05:20 PM Here are the pictures that illustrate my post above. First , my Double MS Rig in the modified (shortened) Rode Blimp. Then my MS-Indoor Set (MKH30 / MKH8050 - with Schoeps foam) Probably i will upgrade this with the new MKH8030 to make it lighter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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