Mike Mulcahy Posted April 7, 2017 Report Share Posted April 7, 2017 Hi, I'm building up my prod sound experience and have a one-day doc shoot tomorrow in which I am doing two things new to me: - providing TC to the camera - sending a mix output from the recorder to the camera I'm feeding 3 lectro radio mics and a boom into a SD442, and then iso'd mics and a mix into a zoom F8. I've checked the JW posts and have gotten useful info; this is what I plan to do: 1. I'm renting a tentacle sync and plan to jam sync the F8, and the Amira via BNC in 2. I'm renting a lectro SRC receiver with two LT transmitters, outputting from the f8 to the Amira ch. 1 and 2, mic level in Any info re: unintended results appreciated. Thx, Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Constantin Posted April 7, 2017 Report Share Posted April 7, 2017 Any info re: unintended results appreciated. I think you're going to have to be a lot more specific. Overall your setup sounds ok. Make sure production really wants a proper audio track on the camera, as opposed to a simple scratch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VASI Posted April 7, 2017 Report Share Posted April 7, 2017 You need to be more specific here, Mike. Which device is going to be Master and which devices are going to be Slave for timecode? I suggesting to set Tentacle Sync as Master and F8 & Arri Amira as Slaves. When the camera dept. changing battery or card; check again the timecode. If the camera change frame rate (example 50 frames), make sure to jam again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Mulcahy Posted April 7, 2017 Author Report Share Posted April 7, 2017 Hi, Thanks for the prompt replies. I have a question in to production re: scratch or a proper track, but haven't heard back yet. re: sync: I will follow your advice and slave the F8 and Arri to the master tentacle unit best, Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Constantin Posted April 7, 2017 Report Share Posted April 7, 2017 re: sync: I will follow your advice and slave the F8 and Arri to the master tentacle unit Well, technically that's not slaving, you're jamming/syncing both devices from the same clock. Ideally you would have two Tentacles and keep one on the F8 and one on the camera at all times Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Mulcahy Posted April 7, 2017 Author Report Share Posted April 7, 2017 Hi, Righto...that makes sense. Thank you for the help. best, Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pkautzsch Posted April 10, 2017 Report Share Posted April 10, 2017 You might feed the cam hop from the mixer instead of the recorder. In your setup, cam would not get any audio if the recorder fails. When feeding the cam from the 442 directly, the recorder can fail without affecting cam audio. That's a free backup unit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Mulcahy Posted April 12, 2017 Author Report Share Posted April 12, 2017 Danke! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronFilm Posted May 7, 2017 Report Share Posted May 7, 2017 On 08/04/2017 at 6:50 AM, Constantin said: Well, technically that's not slaving, you're jamming/syncing both devices from the same clock. Ideally you would have two Tentacles and keep one on the F8 and one on the camera at all times Two is ideal but if you only have one Tentacle you can get by. Just put it on the camera and make sure you never ever turn off your F8 (as then it will lose TC). You'll need an external battery for the F8 to be able to run it all day long. This is exactly the approach I've been taking with my F4 and an Alexa lately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrismedr Posted May 7, 2017 Report Share Posted May 7, 2017 9 hours ago, IronFilm said: This is exactly the approach I've been taking with my F4 and an Alexa lately. I know this likely wasn't your decision but 60'000EUR for a camera and 600EUR (or in other words 1%) for an audio recorder always make me wonder what producers are thinking.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Blankenship Posted May 7, 2017 Report Share Posted May 7, 2017 41 minutes ago, chrismedr said: I know this likely wasn't your decision but 60'000EUR for a camera and 600EUR (or in other words 1%) for an audio recorder always make me wonder what producers are thinking.. I can tell you what their thought process is. It's, "What can I get by with?" If their clients judge them by what camera they use, then it'll be a higher end unit. If those clients don't make similar judgements in respect to sound, you'll find the disparity we too often encounter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronFilm Posted May 11, 2017 Report Share Posted May 11, 2017 On 5/8/2017 at 5:57 AM, John Blankenship said: If their clients judge them by what camera they use, then it'll be a higher end unit. If those clients don't make similar judgements in respect to sound, you'll find the disparity we too often encounter. Unfortunately true, often nearly everyone on set knows what camera is being used..... does anyone ever look in my bag? Nope! That was only the one shoot I've done with an Alexa though, and many of the people were working on it for free, so it was a pretty low budget shoot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronFilm Posted September 11, 2017 Report Share Posted September 11, 2017 Any time the F8 (or F4, which is what I use) is switched off then it will lose TC. So yes, even if connected to a battery, you do NOT want to turn it off!! :-o Also, I would recommend for the sake of your future back, don't use a V mount battery! Go with a smaller battery. Personally I power my bag with Sony BP-U30 (or BP-U60) batteries, because I already have them for my Sony PMW-F3 (these are also the same batteries in the FS7 / FS5 / EX3 / EX1 / etc) The Canon C300 will quickly lose sync (it will drift so hard you'd think it is its job to drift!! :-P ha ) if you don't have a time code box permanently attached to it. So get yourself a Tentacle Syncs, or perhaps even better for a little more get Ultrasync ONE (I have two Tentacle Syncs currently, but will get Ultrasync ONE soon). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
backfocus Posted September 15, 2017 Report Share Posted September 15, 2017 I really like my Tentacle system. I started with one and now have four, since I have been getting calls for bigger and bigger shoots the last few years. I would do as suggested above. You can get by with one Tentacle, but two would be better, just don't shut off the F8. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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