L7NirvanaLove Posted August 5, 2020 Report Share Posted August 5, 2020 Hello, I wanted to know if anyone has run issues with running timecode to the Sony Fx9. I didn’t have time to troubleshoot the FX9 last time I worked with it so I ended up just sending a camera hop for reference. I tried to use a jb-1 denecke and a 664 to send timecode to the camera with the settings stated in the manual but had no luck with it acquiring sync. I tried to toggle through the timecode settings in the camera menu but didn’t have time since we were in a crunch. Just curious if anyone has run into similar issues? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProSound Posted August 5, 2020 Report Share Posted August 5, 2020 Haven't worked with FX9 yet but did you try turning the timecode output level up or down in the JB1 menu? Normally the default is fine but I have had to adjust for some RED cameras in past Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L7NirvanaLove Posted August 5, 2020 Author Report Share Posted August 5, 2020 I had it at default. I try to adjust the level of the signal next time I work with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungo Posted August 6, 2020 Report Share Posted August 6, 2020 There aren't many TC settings in the FX9 menu, but that's ok. Free Run Preset will work. The TC plug is the third BNC seen from above, the second one from below. The writings on the camera body are a little irritating, I connected wrong at first and got a little mad for a slight moment. The plug at the bottom is genlock. There is switch a which makes both plugs either input or outputs. I had got it working successfully with a 633. Unfortunately the camera TC drifted away nearly a whole frame per hour! Mounting TC clocks seems essential again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L7NirvanaLove Posted August 7, 2020 Author Report Share Posted August 7, 2020 7 hours ago, Mungo said: There aren't many TC settings in the FX9 menu, but that's ok. Free Run Preset will work. The TC plug is the third BNC seen from above, the second one from below. The writings on the camera body are a little irritating, I connected wrong at first and got a little mad for a slight moment. The plug at the bottom is genlock. There is switch a which makes both plugs either input or outputs. I had got it working successfully with a 633. Unfortunately the camera TC drifted away nearly a whole frame per hour! Mounting TC clocks seems essential again. I had it on free run and preset but for whatever reason it would not accept incoming timecode. I made sure to plug into the timecode input bnc and check the switch. I wonder if it was just that particular camera or if there is something else missing. I also tried it with my 664 but won’t accept timecode from that either. I’m glad to know it’s definitely possible to get it to work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronFilm Posted August 10, 2020 Report Share Posted August 10, 2020 Is it possible it was running really old firmware? The FX9 is a very new camera, so still get lots of substantial updates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenLac Posted September 4, 2020 Report Share Posted September 4, 2020 Recently did a job with this exact combo of gear (664, JB-1, FX9). Yes, we did have issues. Once when I first attached the JB-1 to the cam at the start of the day, when the camera was already powered on. Then later, while the JB-1 was still running and connected, but the camera had been powered off between set-ups. Both times we were eventually able to get the FX9 to start reading the timecode, but we never figured out the cause-and-effect -- we just toggled some menu settings back and forth a few times, and eventually it started working properly. We had done a job with this very same gear a couple of weeks before and there had been no problems. I suspect firmware bugs. How do we get Sony on this? P.S. - should also mention that when we had the problem, the timecode at the FX9 did not move, neither when the menu was set to Free Run nor Preset (nor any of the other menu settings which are slipping my mind right now -- regen? rec run?). So it wasn't just that the jack and hardware wasn't seeing the incoming TC -- it just sitting there stationary on a seemingly random number, not running any TC at all. (I don't think we ever tested whether it moved upon hitting record.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMC Posted September 4, 2020 Report Share Posted September 4, 2020 Next time this happens to you make sure the camera isn't in an over-crank frame rate, i.e. 40fps, 48fps, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronFilm Posted September 4, 2020 Report Share Posted September 4, 2020 What @PMC said would explain I think why TC wasn't changing, even though it wasn't in Record Run mode, if indeed the FX9 was in S&Q. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMC Posted September 4, 2020 Report Share Posted September 4, 2020 I have been mixing a lot of political commercials over the past five weeks with half a dozen different DPs. I always try to get a video tap from the camera monitor to my 7" high bright sound cart monitor. This way i can monitor several things going on at the camera. Including frame rate. I'd say one or two times out of five I need to gently remind the DP that we are shooting lines to camera so he might want to take his camera out of slo-mo B-roll mode and go back to 23.975 fps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenLac Posted September 6, 2020 Report Share Posted September 6, 2020 On 9/3/2020 at 11:13 PM, PMC said: Next time this happens to you make sure the camera isn't in an over-crank frame rate, i.e. 40fps, 48fps, etc. I can say this was definitely not the cause in the case I describe above -- it's one of the first things we check when TC isn't running, and we weren't overcranking at all that day, and neither had the camera hadn't gremlin'ed itself into that mode. I was definitely some kind of bug. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L7NirvanaLove Posted October 28, 2020 Author Report Share Posted October 28, 2020 On 9/5/2020 at 8:31 PM, KenLac said: I can say this was definitely not the cause in the case I describe above -- it's one of the first things we check when TC isn't running, and we weren't overcranking at all that day, and neither had the camera hadn't gremlin'ed itself into that mode. I was definitely some kind of bug. Your situation is very similar to mine. The timecode never started running regardless of the setting. I am assuming it was a firmware/bug issue. I will try and toggle some of the settings back and forth to see if that helps next time I work with the same client. I’ve asked them to see if they can update the firmware to make sure. If anything comes to mind on what settings you played with just comment below as I need all the help I can get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freeheel Posted May 27, 2021 Report Share Posted May 27, 2021 Had the first shoot with FX9 last week and it synced up fine. Just had to change one of the timecode settings in the menu- I think it was defaulted to REC RUN when first out of the box... Cheers, Brent Calkin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TStorm Posted September 11, 2022 Report Share Posted September 11, 2022 I was having timecode issues with the FX9 not seeing timecode come in, via lockit box, or Evertz 5600 & Brainstorm… went into the FX9 menu, and S&Q was set to OFF. I turned it ON, and then, back OFF… and immediately the FX9 picked up the timecode. Seems like a firmware update could fix that issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Rillie Posted July 30 Report Share Posted July 30 Sorry, but what is S&Q. Not being a camera savvy person, I am not familiar with this term. Have worked with Sony Venice no issues regarding TC, but working soon with a FX9. My instincts would be to look for External Tc in, and Regen and connect a JB-1 or Tentacle Sync E to the TC in BNC. Of course with matching frame rate settings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OB1 Posted July 30 Report Share Posted July 30 I connected with Sync E no issues with an FX9. The wide shot FX6, though, would not see the Sync E. Maybe this Slow Motion(S&Q) would've done the trick. I'll try next time as they usually bring me on for special projects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMC Posted July 30 Report Share Posted July 30 Slow and Quick, yes. Under crank and over crank frame rates. You will not have TC lock during non standard framerates. Once the cam op switches back to a standard framerate your tc box will lock the camera back in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Rillie Posted July 30 Report Share Posted July 30 (edited) Thanks, got it. Slow and Quick haha. And Thanks, OB1. That is reassuring. Edited July 30 by Jim Rillie Added thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edward chick Posted July 31 Report Share Posted July 31 I interface with FX9s on a regular basis with the broadcast networks. As long as the camera frame rate matches yours on your mixer/recorder /sync box AND the BNC input on the side of the camera is set to IN on the Timecode port it’s a hard switch with a graphic line, you should be good to go. Never had to go into S/Q menu. Like PMC stated when camera is off speed you will not be in synch, when it comes back to your frame rate it will lock in via your tc box. I use Ambient Nanos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridley Posted September 10 Report Share Posted September 10 User of the Betso TCX-2+ timecode boxes. Never personally had an issue with the FX9. Actually the Sony cameras have been a true friend since they always have BNC (except the FS7 without the XDCA) and have always jammed without a problem for me. Based on my experience with other camera manufacturers (RED...) I would recommend playing with your amplitude settings. If it is set too far below FS cameras sometimes have issues reading the signal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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