Influxaudio Posted October 17, 2013 Report Posted October 17, 2013 Greetings ! I have recently started using a Sennheiser g3 wireless system for recording Lav mic's into a SD 664. I wanted to ask others here what settings are working best for them as I'm not 100% satisfied with the quality of signal I'm getting. I currently set sensitivity to just over half the range on the transmitter (in case the talent talks louder than in the sound check) and making sure I don't see the AF Peak light at all. Then on the receiver I have the AF Out settings at 0 (with the idea that I'm not adding or attenuating the gain on the sennheiser) Then I'm coming into the 664 at Mic level and have my Gain Trim at 12.00 (half of the range) What do you guys think of that ? Also I'm using a Sanken Cos 11mic and find that even with a pop shield accessory I sometimes get a lot of siblance - is that normal and to be expected ? Really appreciate any advice Influx Quote
sonyslave Posted October 18, 2013 Report Posted October 18, 2013 Earliest cos 11 mics had a big boost on the top end on their freq response. Shortly after that they were revised to reduce their over boosted sharpness. Perhaps that is what you are hearing. Quote
studiomprd Posted October 18, 2013 Report Posted October 18, 2013 " what settings are working best " that can be difficult to say, as it may vary... may I suggest trial and error..starting with the manufacturers instructions... understanding gain structure is important, perhaps Jay Rose's books at www.dplay.com...? Quote
VM Posted October 18, 2013 Report Posted October 18, 2013 Greetings ! I have recently started using a Sennheiser g3 wireless system for recording Lav mic's into a SD 664. I wanted to ask others here what settings are working best for them as I'm not 100% satisfied with the quality of signal I'm getting. Can you tell us which is the quatilty problem ? I currently set sensitivity to just over half the range on the transmitter (in case the talent talks louder than in the sound check) and making sure I don't see the AF Peak light at all. That's good but take care the G3's level indicator is not very accurate. Then on the receiver I have the AF Out settings at 0 (with the idea that I'm not adding or attenuating the gain on the sennheiser) Then I'm coming into the 664 at Mic level 0 on the receiver is a little strong to send it to a mic level. Generally I advice people to set it nearly -18 ( and then mic level on the mixer"s input). But it may varies. Quote
Nick Campbell Posted October 18, 2013 Report Posted October 18, 2013 I run the G3's at +0 to +6 at mic level into my Maxx. Set it at about 75% of the gain needed for talent being loud (the G3's can clip fairly easily). For higher uality units like Lectro, I'll usually run at +5 and bring it in at line-level, but the G3's just don't have that kind of gain. I can tell the quality differences between the two, but the G3's when not slammed with RF traffic are usable. I use Countryman EMWs. Quote
Influxaudio Posted October 18, 2013 Author Report Posted October 18, 2013 Thanks for all the replies and great advice guys. @ Senator Its exactly gain staging that I'm concerned about - I would have thought af out at 0 was unity on the receiver and if I needed to boost the signal (I don't need to that much at these settings) l I could do that with my mixers high quality pre's. @Vm Its hard to pinpoint exactly what the issue is, its not distorting or anything - maybe its just I don't like the sound of LAV's that much. @Nick you saying +0 - +6 on the receiver I'm guessing ? Quote
Influxaudio Posted October 18, 2013 Author Report Posted October 18, 2013 @senator I bought Jay's book Thanks Quote
Cyril Bourseaux Posted October 18, 2013 Report Posted October 18, 2013 My usual settings on G3+cos 11 is: TX sensitivity : -36dB AF out: -6dB Gain knob on 664 : between 10 and 12 o' clock. Try that and see if you still have a bad sound... Quote
Influxaudio Posted October 18, 2013 Author Report Posted October 18, 2013 @ Cryll - Glad to know someone else has the same gear ! Those settings seemed to be the magic combination - Many Thanks Quote
studiomprd Posted October 18, 2013 Report Posted October 18, 2013 you are going to get to learn a lot of this stuff by trial and error (experimenting)... remember: it takes years of experience to get years of experience. BTW, another book: Ric Viers The Location Sound Bible www.mwp.com Quote
Ze Frias Posted October 18, 2013 Report Posted October 18, 2013 I've used the following quite successfully: TX: at -27dB RX: at -6dB 664: Mic Level input w/ Trim knob around 12 o'clock, but can be higher. Quote
Nick Campbell Posted October 19, 2013 Report Posted October 19, 2013 I usually find +24 is my go-to for most voices at a talking level to start with. Generally speaking, it's with peaks around 75% on the Tx. Quote
VM Posted October 19, 2013 Report Posted October 19, 2013 @Vm Its hard to pinpoint exactly what the issue is, its not distorting or anything - maybe its just I don't like the sound of LAV's that much. So maybe the trouble is the mic position, or the typical lav's sound that you do not like...So maybe it has nothing to do with the G3 and your G3's settings... Quote
Eric Toline Posted October 19, 2013 Report Posted October 19, 2013 I usually find +24 is my go-to for most voices at a talking level to start with. Generally speaking, it's with peaks around 75% on the Tx. I think you meant -24 not +24. Eric Quote
studiomprd Posted October 19, 2013 Report Posted October 19, 2013 there is no one setting that always works, thus the settings are variable. Quote
Nick Campbell Posted October 19, 2013 Report Posted October 19, 2013 Meant -24 yeas. Senator: except for Snuggies. Quote
Rick Reineke Posted October 19, 2013 Report Posted October 19, 2013 Lots of variables to be taken into consideration, depends on the mic and the source SPL, though a TX sensitivity of -36dB seems low to me unless the talent is shouting.. For a Tram or a (standard sensitivity) B6.. w/ talent speaking at 'normal' speaking volume, a transmitter sensitivity around -15dB works good, while the receiver's AF out is set to -18 or -12dB for mic level or +12dB (max) for line level input, which is what I typically use. Quote
studiomprd Posted October 19, 2013 Report Posted October 19, 2013 " what settings are working best " set everything to 11 ... Quote
Jon Gilbert Posted October 19, 2013 Report Posted October 19, 2013 11 is best because it's one louder. Quote
Cyril Bourseaux Posted October 21, 2013 Report Posted October 21, 2013 Influx, Take this as a start point and with some experience you will know how to adjust sensitivity with the situation. But generally speaking this G3 transmitters don't like to have a too high level input signal in my opinion. I can deal with some short transmitter input clipping on my lectros, but not on these. Sounds very bad, so I prefer to avoid it by setting a low input sensitivity. Quote
atheisticmystic Posted October 21, 2013 Report Posted October 21, 2013 11 is best because it's one louder. Why couldn't you just make 10 the highest (like a firmware update or something), and then 10 would be the loudest ? Quote
John Blankenship Posted October 21, 2013 Report Posted October 21, 2013 Why couldn't you just make 10 the highest (like a firmware update or something), and then 10 would be the loudest ? If you did that, eleven would be louder still. Then, you'd be violating the laws of physics and subject to arrest -- cardiac or otherwise. Quote
Jon Gilbert Posted October 21, 2013 Report Posted October 21, 2013 Why couldn't you just make 10 the highest (like a firmware update or something), and then 10 would be the loudest ? These go to eleven. Quote
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