jacquesstar Posted August 11, 2012 Report Share Posted August 11, 2012 I am looking at a program to use for audio post production. Currently: have Final Cut 7 with Soundtrack Pro (never figured out how to use it, and I don't think Apple will support this product very much longer with FCP X coming out) I also have Adobe Audition, which came with Premiere Pro. I have no idea how to use this either and I don't know how good it is. So, I'm seriously considering Pro Tools. Just a couple of questions. Can Pro Tools work with OMF files? Also, can I actually have video playing along with the OMF file in Pro Tools so that I can actually mix sound for picture and it will stay in sync? Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Blankenship Posted August 11, 2012 Report Share Posted August 11, 2012 Yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Wexler Posted August 11, 2012 Report Share Posted August 11, 2012 Although ProTools is arguably not necessarily the best software, it is unquestionably the industry standard for post sound work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAudioSynthesist Posted August 11, 2012 Report Share Posted August 11, 2012 Pro Tools can only open OMFs if you have the right version. I believe PT9 and up give you the OMF option included while earlier versions required an additional software package. And yes, video will run along side your audio tracks. If you're going to invest in PT I'd suggest getting PT9. 10 is still buggy from what I've heard. You'll also want to buy some sfx or try to download/torrent them for free. All the best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAudioSynthesist Posted August 11, 2012 Report Share Posted August 11, 2012 Oh, and FCX is already out... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olle Sjostrom Posted August 11, 2012 Report Share Posted August 11, 2012 I used fc10 w no issues at least 9 months ago so... But. Nuendo. Rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Visser Posted August 11, 2012 Report Share Posted August 11, 2012 Pro Tools can only open OMFs if you have the right version. I believe PT9 and up give you the OMF option included while earlier versions required an additional software package. And yes, video will run along side your audio tracks. If you're going to invest in PT I'd suggest getting PT9. 10 is still buggy from what I've heard. You'll also want to buy some sfx or try to download/torrent them for free. All the best. I've heard nothing but positive things on PT10 stability. There has been some issues with HDX installations, but 10 is pretty similar to 9 otherwise. We cannot condone software piracy in the context of professional work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccsnd Posted August 11, 2012 Report Share Posted August 11, 2012 I have been on 10 since the day it came out. No problems whatsoever. Do not pirate your software or sounds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Hirtenstein Posted August 11, 2012 Report Share Posted August 11, 2012 Absolutely get Pro Tools 10. As someone who spends about 50 hours a week using it, I would never go back to 9. Don't steal either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAudioSynthesist Posted August 11, 2012 Report Share Posted August 11, 2012 I never use pirated software. Sfx libraries are expensive though and while I don't torrent them my self, my sound friends are generous enough to share theirs with me. Plus I have the 40+ gigs ive recorded myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccsnd Posted August 11, 2012 Report Share Posted August 11, 2012 I never use pirated software. Sfx libraries are expensive though and while I don't torrent them my self, my sound friends are generous enough to share theirs with me. So your friends torrent them and then give them to you? WTF is the difference? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesT Posted August 11, 2012 Report Share Posted August 11, 2012 I use ProTools 10 daily.(and previously, the 3 preceding versions) I only ever had two or three issues with 10 that were not easily solved with the simple renaming of a file and/or a program restart. You will be happy with PT or nuendo. Yes both can translate OMF's to their own session formats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramallo Posted August 11, 2012 Report Share Posted August 11, 2012 +1 on the Nuendo side, works very well with OMF and AAF, and his media manager is stellar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay Rose Posted August 11, 2012 Report Share Posted August 11, 2012 Long discussion recently on PT vs Nuendo for exactly what you're doing, in the LinkedIn post sound newsgroup. Bottom line imho: 1) PT is the standard and will save some hassles if you're interfacing with a lot of other audio professionals (dialog cutters, foley recordists, mix stage, etc). 2) Nuendo is faster and more powerful for post - a lot of the new features PT 10 is bragging were introduced in Nuendo five years ago, though both programs keep updating. (Nuendo isn't for music production. It really does concentrate on audio post.) 3) Both are completely compatible with OMF and other industry standards, if you buy the full-bore program. ProTools has light and M-powered versions that are much cheaper, but they're music-oriented and you have to add a lot of software to make them video-friendly. 4) If you're buying a full rig - the complete software, plus i/o and sync hardware - both cost about the same. As I said, this is imho. I've used both, and for a long time I kept both current in my studio. And ymmv. And anything else that'll keep this from turning into a Holy War. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyatt Tuzo Posted August 11, 2012 Report Share Posted August 11, 2012 3) Both are completely compatible with OMF and other industry standards, if you buy the full-bore program. ProTools has light and M-powered versions that are much cheaper, but they're music-oriented and you have to add a lot of software to make them video-friendly. Just a heads up, Jay... As of version 9, this is no longer the case with PT. PT now offers OMF support and TC support with no add-ons. You may still want an MTC to SMPTE LTC H/W adaptor. I like this one: http://www.rosendahl-studiotechnik.com/mif4.html Avid has also ditched M-audio (and thus it's M-powered line). As of PT9, all versions of PT are capable of running natively or with choice of ASIO approved interface. Basically, your options are now PTHD native (which really only offers hardware acceleration for plugs and greater delay compensation [and delay comp on H/W sends]), and PT9/10. I havent had a need to switch over to 10 yet, but 9 has been a stellar improvement in capability and speed, and it finally feels like Avid is interested in advancing the software to benefit the end user (and not just their own profits) As I see it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Visser Posted August 11, 2012 Report Share Posted August 11, 2012 Just to clarify, Wyatt, HD Native's only DSP in used for cue mix to provide a few zero latency monitoring lanes. Otherwise all plugin processing is done by the host. HDX is the replacement for the core cards (TDM) and provides a ton of DSP for the new AAX plugin format. It is not called HD Native, although when you purchase it, you are also licensed to use it as a native session if you wish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Reineke Posted August 12, 2012 Report Share Posted August 12, 2012 For older versions of PTs one had to buy the DV tool set in order to work with video... and it wasn't cheap. FWIW, FCP-X does not support OMF exports. or AAF for that matter either. There are not many third party AAX plugins currently available, but that may change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay Rose Posted August 12, 2012 Report Share Posted August 12, 2012 Guys, thanks for giving me heads-up on current PT capabilities. As I said, I'm not running current PT, just the latest version of Nuendo (there was an update last week). So I don't know what PT is capable of now. In fact, as I said at dozens of NAB and AES conventions, years ago when I was the public face of the Orban DSE/Audicy workstation line and people would ask me about competing DAWs: Don't trust anything anybody says about a competing product, unless they're running the current version. It's not that we're lying, it's just that everybody keeps on making their product better, so what I (or anybody else) know about the competition is out-of-date. And you know, I love it. I started in this business when everything was big iron. Magnesync and Ampex products didn't change over their whole life, let alone a couple of times a year. Having software and computers that keep on getting smarter is wonderful! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Wielage Posted August 12, 2012 Report Share Posted August 12, 2012 The best reason I can think of to invest in Pro Tools is that it's by far the standard used in NY, Miami, Chicago, LA, London, and most other major production centers. If you start a project on a small system and take a mix as far as you can go, you can copy the session, then bring it to a full-blown mixing stage, load it in, and keep going. Chances are, the big stages are going to have Pro Tools before they have anything else. And there are more opportunities for Pro Tools work for people pursuing dialog, sound effects, and music-editing work in big cities. While I have paid for the vast amount of sound effects in my archives (or recorded them myself), there actually are legitimate free sound effects out there on the net. I don't advise stealing software, and I think the hard-working SFX companies like Sound Ideas, Hollywood Edge, Sound Dogs, and all the others should be paid when you use their work. At the same time, I can remember very well in the early 1980s, when I worked on a lot of animated shows and I'd hear Warner Bros.' effects in a Hanna-Barbera show, MGM effects in a Ruby-Spears show, and Paramount Star Trek effects in a DIC cartoon show. So effects editors even back then had a habit of "borrowing" entire effects libraries on occasion, especially as they moved from studio to studio. Once DAT came out in the late 1980s/early 1990s, this became rampant, to the point where everybody had the same stock sound effects. It's the editors that have the really unique effects that made them stand out, especially one-of-a-kind effects you couldn't get anywhere else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olle Sjostrom Posted August 12, 2012 Report Share Posted August 12, 2012 One big advantage, and the main reason I use nuendo over pro tools, is the media management. Region list is evil. Nuendo has folders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Conen Posted August 12, 2012 Report Share Posted August 12, 2012 One big advantage, and the main reason I use nuendo over pro tools, is the media management. Region list is evil. Nuendo has folders. Hi Olle! Pro Tools does have a powerful media management including folders. They are called catalogs and can be found in the workspace window. Best, Tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyatt Tuzo Posted August 12, 2012 Report Share Posted August 12, 2012 Just to clarify, Wyatt, HD Native's only DSP in used for cue mix to provide a few zero latency monitoring lanes. Otherwise all plugin processing is done by the host. HDX is the replacement for the core cards (TDM) and provides a ton of DSP for the new AAX plugin format. It is not called HD Native, although when you purchase it, you are also licensed to use it as a native session if you wish. My mistake, Tom. You're absolutely right. My head was still stuck in TDM land, re:DSP (I went from 888 to 002 to PT9) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay Rose Posted August 12, 2012 Report Share Posted August 12, 2012 ... like I said, they both keep getting better... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henchman Posted August 12, 2012 Report Share Posted August 12, 2012 Also, you can buy the Pts 10 HD software on EBay, which will give you all the features of the Hd software, especially the Automation stuff, and it will run native as well, using any interface you want to use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olle Sjostrom Posted August 12, 2012 Report Share Posted August 12, 2012 Hi Olle! Pro Tools does have a powerful media management including folders. They are called catalogs and can be found in the workspace window. Best, Tom Thanks Tom, good to know! I did know of workspaces, but can a catalog be specific to the files being used in a project? So for example I might wanna sort all of my dialog on the timeline in one folder, and so on... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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