sheldon Sheldon's microphone showing!

[leo153]

I just caught 2 scenes of Young Sheldon and with his lav mic exposed next to his shirt button. I was hard to see the grill but it looks like there is no windscreen and the grill has maybe 5 holes . Not sure what type it is.

[PMC]

Big enough to be a Senny ME2, lol.

[The Documentary Sound Guy]

That was my thought.  But the ME2 doesn't have a strong rim that would reflect in the way it appears in the striped shirt.  I think there's a good chance the bowtie mic is an ME2, the other one is something different.  What does it sound like?

[PMC]

I figured it was wrapped with a bit of foam tape.

[Izen Ears]

I feel I this was a result of shooting with too many cameras and having horribly loud clothes.  I personally would have chosen a B6 button ring for that kind of indoor scene.

[Constantin]

I‘m uncertain about the purpose of this topic. Is it to enquire about the mic used or it to show that the mic shows? If it’s the latter I fail to see what’s so special about this one. I’m sure most of us here could post hundreds if not thousands of these kinds of mic showings, but to what end?

[leo153]

Eeeeeesh lighten up friend... There is no "to what end", just a light hearted post.

[Olle Sjostrom]

1 hour ago, leo153 said:

Eeeeeesh lighten up friend... There is no "to what end", just a light hearted post.

But when a friend is German you really need to have all your ducks in a row! 🤪

Joking aside, yeah the lav is showing. Feels good to know that even on high stakes shows, these little “mistakes” come up. 

[Constantin]

6 hours ago, leo153 said:

Eeeeeesh lighten up friend... There is no "to what end", just a light hearted post.

Well, you may find it light hearted, but the person who rigged that mic might not see it that way. His off day rig displayed here among a group of peers. There’s a group on Facebook that has a lot of these posts, and I detest them by now. At first, I shared Olles sentiment about the high end show people making the same mistakes as the low end folks, but by now I find these posts really really boring. 
anyway, if it makes you feel any better, post away. 

[Izen Ears]

18 hours ago, Constantin said:

Well, you may find it light hearted, but the person who rigged that mic might not see it that way. His off day rig displayed here among a group of peers. There’s a group on Facebook that has a lot of these posts, and I detest them by now. At first, I shared Olles sentiment about the high end show people making the same mistakes as the low end folks, but by now I find these posts really really boring. 
anyway, if it makes you feel any better, post away. 

"Bored" does not describe your reaction. I'm curious what your problem is (you didn't mention it), and why you felt the need to dive bomb into this thread with weird negative energy.

[Constantin]

5 hours ago, Izen Ears said:

"Bored" does not describe your reaction. I'm curious what your problem is (you didn't mention it), and why you felt the need to dive bomb into this thread with weird negative energy.

You did not get what my problem is from the very post you quoted? 

Like I said, I detest these posts and photos, hence the negative energy. I just don’t like topics where the sole purpose appears to be to highlight a colleague’s bad work day. Sure, the OP also asked about the mic, but when I asked him to clarify what his post was about, it didn’t really sound like he didn’t know what I meant. 
 

[Johnny Karlsson]

I think it’s unnecessary to point out other people’s “mistakes”. If you weren’t there on the day and you don’t know what the circumstances were, it’s not cool to post photos to imply that you “know better”, or whatever. That in itself is actually bringing negative energy.

 

[Ontariosound]

The shot was probably boom-able.  But Directors and Producers freak out if anyone on the Callsheet is not wired at all times....

[PMC]

19 hours ago, Johnny Karlsson said:

I think it’s unnecessary to point out other people’s “mistakes”. If you weren’t there on the day and you don’t know what the circumstances were, it’s not cool to post photos to imply that you “know better”, or whatever. That in itself is actually bringing negative energy.

 

 

I personally invite descriptions and pics of less than ideal micing techniques IF they include possible ways of addressing and improving the issue.

 

It feels like I have been in the business since the Roman Empire. I started out with the massive lunch box Vega VHF wireless mics.

 

There are days that go flawlessly and days where I feel like I am holding everyone back, failing, trying to solve a wardrobe noise issue in a scene that I cannot get a boom in. Heck I was DP'ing a reality shoot recently and noticed the mixer was micing everyone with a COS11 wrapped in an URSA Plush with a safety pin captured in the Plush as it wrapped around the COS11. I hadn't seen that before. He said a reality show mixer taught it to him recently.

 

I live and learn everyday. The rig works more times than it doesnt.

 

I'm just asking that we grow from "these examples" of less than ideal implementations. Offer a remedy. 

[The Documentary Sound Guy]

2 hours ago, PMC said:

a COS11 wrapped in an URSA Plush with a safety pin captured in the Plush as it wrapped around the COS11. I hadn't seen that before. He said a reality show mixer taught it to him recently.

Interesting.  Can you post a picture of this, I'm having trouble visualizing.

[PMC]

Happy to, DSG. This is what it is all about. I do not claim credit.

 

1) Wrap double stick around the lav body whilst capturing the safety pin 

2) Wrap the URSA Plush around the assembly and covering the lav head

 

No amount of actor aerobics is going to shake this rig lose. I hide it between the overlap of button-down shirts and in a folded collar.

 

Simple and fast. I find the URSA Plush to be quieter than the Rycote Overcover.

[The Documentary Sound Guy]

Thanks!  Good to know about the Plush being better than Overcovers, which is what I use.

I would worry about it moving around under heavy activity, but I'll play around with it.  Thanks for sharing!

[Sandor Gyurkovics]

yeah, haven't seen that rig.  nice option for when adhesive may not do the job.  sometimes more adhesive just means more noise as it slowly rips loose.  

 

my go-to for reality shoots with little time and unknown action is cos-11 in an RM-11 with winscreen on, prerigged with snot tape on the back, and an overcover stuck to the other side.  mounted to clothing with overcover against the body it works in many situations.  Learned that one through the grapevine from Rylan Kerbes in vancouver. 

[edward chick]

Just ran into this issue today on the job. CEO of  automotive supplier was wearing a starched shirt with a jacket. Used my go to b6 with a furry over cover in space between chest button, no luck. Pulled that rig and used a white b6 just under center chest button. Button hid the b6 perfectly. No more rustle. I will try the rig PMC has posted next time. 

[The Documentary Sound Guy]

Under the collar would have been my go-to for a starched shirt.  Even if I can get the mic immobile, I always hear too much of the starched fabric rubbing against itself when the mic is on the torso.

 

[PMC]

39 minutes ago, The Documentary Sound Guy said:

Under the collar would have been my go-to for a starched shirt.  Even if I can get the mic immobile, I always hear too much of the starched fabric rubbing against itself when the mic is on the torso.

 

 

Half the time I use the under-the-collar rigging with starched shirts I don't get clothing rustle anymore but I get perfectly clear beard stubble scrapping against the starched collar sound effects. Just in case anyone needs that. They generally don't. 

 

I am a big fan of tie-knot rigging with a B6 if the guy isn't wearing a $400 french tie and he doesn't mind the intrusion.

 

If I am desperate to eliminate clothing and hair noise I tell them my backup plan is a staple gun. I love the look on their faces.

[PMC]

3 hours ago, Sandor Gyurkovics said:

yeah, haven't seen that rig.  nice option for when adhesive may not do the job.  sometimes more adhesive just means more noise as it slowly rips loose.  

 

my go-to for reality shoots with little time and unknown action is cos-11 in an RM-11 with winscreen on, prerigged with snot tape on the back, and an overcover stuck to the other side.  mounted to clothing with overcover against the body it works in many situations.  Learned that one through the grapevine from Rylan Kerbes in vancouver. 

 

Sandor, 

I have built similar rigs. They can work well if the thickness of the rig doesn't show the wardrobe bulging. 

 

I have discovered many mixers dislike the RM-11 these days. Yes, we have lots of other rigs to use now but I find they are still a viable option with moleskin or Joe's Sticky Stuff in certain applications.

 

I know a guy who still uses footballs to sandwich his lavs. If it works, great.

 

Your pics remind me of when I ran with Sonotrim and Sonotram mic rigs and used their windscreens.

 

Thanks for sharing.

4 hours ago, The Documentary Sound Guy said:

Thanks!  Good to know about the Plush being better than Overcovers, which is what I use.

I would worry about it moving around under heavy activity, but I'll play around with it.  Thanks for sharing!

 

DSG,

If you buy a couple URSA Plush Circles (I have not tried their large fabric squares to know if it is the same fabric), you will be able to feel the difference between those and an Overcover. The Plush is made with fabric "hairs" that are less stiff. And I think the base fabric mesh is a bit more transparent sonically.

 

The downside is that they are PRICEY. URSA thinks highly of them I guess. Add them to the UPM expendables list.

[PMC]

4 hours ago, The Documentary Sound Guy said:

Thanks!  Good to know about the Plush being better than Overcovers, which is what I use.

I would worry about it moving around under heavy activity, but I'll play around with it.  Thanks for sharing!

 

DSG,

The beauty of this rig is that if it moves it doesn't move much at all and if it rolls left and right, the lav is surrounded by a Plush cushion. If you hear any rustling it will most likely be from fabric to fabric noise. Not fabric on mic noise. I have used this rig just inside the top seam of a dark t-shirt too. It worked as long as the actor didn't look down and cover the lav with his chin (chins).

[The Documentary Sound Guy]

5 hours ago, PMC said:

I am a big fan of tie-knot rigging with a B6 if the guy isn't wearing a $400 french tie and he doesn't mind the intrusion.

A tie rig would be my first choice, but it wasn't mentioned in the description of the costume.

[edward chick]

He was not wearing a tie. That is always a first choice for me as well.