sarcanon Posted August 26, 2017 Report Share Posted August 26, 2017 A couple of young co-directors, the Safdie Brothers (Josh and Benny), just released a film called "Good Time" which by many accounts is pretty good. They just did an, uh... interesting, interview for No Film School (read it here) where they discuss the audio for the film and do a bit of seemingly random name-checking. Portions related to audio excerpted without further comment: Josh: ... But if I'm obsessed with the image, Benny also obsesses over the microphones and the acoustics. Benny: When you hook up with somebody who's doing sound, they have their own kit. Our sound mixer, Patrick Southern, was going, "I've got all these microphones and I've got this boom mic." I'm like, "Alright! But we're gonna rent all these microphones and this boom mic because I've been doing a lot of research about them, and they sound incredible." But they are very delicate. They're British. And there are these amazing, incredible lavs. And then there's this one boom mic that only one rental house in the city had. You can buy them on eBay because they were made in the '80s and they kind of just got thrown away. But it's got such a specific feeling to it. It's a workhorse but it's a real, directional microphone. Josh: You wanted to have two boom mics the whole time on this! NFS: What were the mics called? Benny: I don't want to give it away. Josh: There is a recorder that we have yet to use that we do want to work with, the Cantar. Benny: The closest thing that we ever got to was the one that Patrick used on this one, the Zaxcom. Josh: I like our Sonosax, too. Benny: The thing is, it's really hard to find digital recorders that have that "sound" feeling. Most digital recorders [are designed to] erase all the sound. Then you add it later. The Zaxcom Nomad is very simple. It's straightforward, and then there's a lot of sound to it. It has "room tone," which a lot of people don't want because they want to have full, maximum, clean sound. It's the same with a lot of the digital cameras—they try and have nothing. No Film School: They're too pristine. Josh: Exactly. I've made short films where we used Nagra tape, and that's a crazy feeling because you can run out of sound. You can roll out on sound. But the warmth of analog tape is incredible. Benny: They don't make them anymore. Josh: Yeah, and also, it doesn't all need to be that nostalgic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonG Posted August 27, 2017 Report Share Posted August 27, 2017 I'd be interested to know about those mics. But I get what they're talking about. Which is why I like to use an analog board. On a side note, I'm getting ready to do a film with a Nagra. Directors idea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay Rose Posted August 28, 2017 Report Share Posted August 28, 2017 Most digital recorders [are designed to] erase all the sound. Then you add it later. Can someone tell me what that means? Are they talking about a lower internal noise floor? Do they like thermal and random magnetic noise? Or are they working with digital recorders that have internal noise gates (with the thresholds set too high), which are killing the backgrounds? The Zaxcom Nomad is very simple.... It has "room tone," which a lot of people don't want because they want to have full, maximum, clean sound. ...and that? Nomad is definitely an excellent recorder, but what are they talking about? Nomad's noise floor isn't significantly different from other recorders in that class. Obviously these folks are using 'all the sound' and 'room tone' differently than we might, but I'm not sure what they do mean. Help an older guy out! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sarcanon Posted August 28, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 28, 2017 Of course, it's entirely possible their opinions could be completely genuine (if inarticulately stated), borne from many hours of listening to a wide variety of mics and recorders with that "sound" feeling. But, frankly, to me, it seemed like a couple of retrophiliac hipsters talking out their asses, more in love with the romantic ideal of vintage audio gear than any rational assessment based on personal experience. I wonder how well they would do in a blind test. Which is not to denigrate their film-making abilities one bit. I intend to go see 'Good Time' and expect to appreciate it. But being very good at one thing doesn't make you an expert on everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted August 28, 2017 Report Share Posted August 28, 2017 Wow! Its's a shame all those 1980's microphones were thrown away. What were they thinking back then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronmac Posted August 28, 2017 Report Share Posted August 28, 2017 Sarcanon, "Retrophiliac Hipsters" has just become my most favourite descriptor of all time. Thank you, sir! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al mcguire Posted August 28, 2017 Report Share Posted August 28, 2017 I second that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Rillie Posted August 28, 2017 Report Share Posted August 28, 2017 Bizzaro. Third it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old school Posted August 28, 2017 Report Share Posted August 28, 2017 Say what? Not sure wtf they said Jay Rose. I hear their film is good, but... wow. Maybe they were buzzed as they were interviewed. I've said some stupid shit when I was loaded. CrewC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaelmoote Posted August 28, 2017 Report Share Posted August 28, 2017 maybe some t power 816s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Constantin Posted August 29, 2017 Report Share Posted August 29, 2017 7 hours ago, michaelmoote said: maybe some t power 816s 816 isn't British though. I'm really curious which British mics they are referring to. Off the top of my head I can't think of a British mic manufacturer (except Aston and Sontronics, but I don't think they were talking about those) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spectreman Posted August 29, 2017 Report Share Posted August 29, 2017 Perhaps they are Calrec mics ? Good quality British mics they are... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Constantin Posted August 29, 2017 Report Share Posted August 29, 2017 1 hour ago, Spectreman said: Perhaps they are Calrec mics ? Good quality British mics they are... Interesting, thanks! Yes, that's a good possibility. That name rings a bell somewhere, but I don't really know those mics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankie Richards Posted September 1, 2017 Report Share Posted September 1, 2017 Interesting, thanks! Yes, that's a good possibility. That name rings a bell somewhere, but I don't really know those mics. I think Calrec was known more for their consoles. Still fetch quite a lot of money on the used market. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Rick Reineke Posted September 2, 2017 Report Share Posted September 2, 2017 "I think Calrec was known more for their consoles" - I think the same... consoles. Aside for their SoundField 'surround' mic, I'm was not aware of any others. Unless he means CAD mics, but I never heard of anyone using them for our type of work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian Spaeth Posted September 4, 2017 Report Share Posted September 4, 2017 I watched Good Time on a festival a few days ago. Not too bad a movie but maybe slightly overrated, a bit retro 90s style, apparently made with a very low budget. Since 95% of the movie consists of closeups, doing sound must have been a fun job on this one. On 29.8.2017 at 1:40 AM, old school said: Say what? Not sure wtf they said Jay Rose. I hear their film is good, but... wow. Maybe they were buzzed as they were interviewed. I've said some stupid shit when I was loaded. CrewC +1 LMAO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve strobel Posted September 8, 2017 Report Share Posted September 8, 2017 I'm totally a noob here but I really like the sound in older movies. It just has a texture that I enjoy more. I haven't seen this film and I probably won't because the way they describe it with all those cu's would probably freak me out. But that being said, even though it really sounds like these guys are talking out their B-holes you just don't hear directors talking about sound gear, ever. At least I've never heard anyone, well besides hearing the stories about Tarantino. His rule about no adr. So I guess my point is even though these guys seem like d-bags or maybe high, haha, it's just kinda nice to have someone state something besides what camera they used. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathaniel Robinson Posted September 14, 2017 Report Share Posted September 14, 2017 That would be a very off-putting conversation to have with a director. To have all of my equipment decisions (based on actual use and careful discrimination) immediately up-ended by someone who read about a mic somewhere online.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daniel Posted September 14, 2017 Report Share Posted September 14, 2017 On 29/08/2017 at 8:18 AM, Constantin said: 816 isn't British though. I'm really curious which British mics they are referring to. Off the top of my head I can't think of a British mic manufacturer (except Aston and Sontronics, but I don't think they were talking about those) Not exactly sennheiser, schoeps, neumann, microtech grefell etc but there is coles (electroacoustics) - admittedly more a broadcast thing than scripted drama, but the broadcaster's 'lip' mic is quite cool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Constantin Posted September 14, 2017 Report Share Posted September 14, 2017 4 minutes ago, daniel said: Not exactly sennheiser, schoeps, neumann, microtech grefell etc but there is coles (electroacoustics) - admittedly more a broadcast thing than scripted drama, but the broadcaster's 'lip' mic is quite cool. Oh yes of course, Coles. I know them, just didn't know they were British. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay Rose Posted September 15, 2017 Report Share Posted September 15, 2017 It would be fun to do sync dialog with lip mics. Well, not "fun" exactly, since the actors would be holding the mics. You'd certainly get a tight sound. The fun would be when the various picture departments start saying "we can't get a good close-up because of sound!" Turnabout and all that... ; ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Immoral Mr Teas Posted September 15, 2017 Report Share Posted September 15, 2017 Thanks sarcanon for the post .... I'm damn well going to enjoy the rest of that interview ... I'm just deciding on what to loosen my mind with before diving in! Calrec are (were) a pretty well known and respected mic - before my time but it's quite possible they were used in radio and/or broadcast - but certainly in music. Some crazy powering AFAIR but then so was everything pre 1970. And of course some of their people developed and manufactured the Soundfield soon afterwards. Coles, as well as the lip mic, made the famous ribbon 4038 (perhaps still used on Desert Island Discs? I heard rumours) Whilst I like to imagine a calrec cardioid and a Coles ribbon on the end of the poles I imagine those secret British mics to be 815s, KMR 81/2 or possibly the (Scottish?) Sony C76/74 ... And I just hate it when you run out of sound ... last page of the script, run out of words, next thing the actors have run out of speech, all that warmth, all that room tone - gone! But then the spools start whizzing round really fast and I've forgotten I've run out of sound and I'm happy all over again! Jez Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Immoral Mr Teas Posted September 16, 2017 Report Share Posted September 16, 2017 English, 1980s ... they just might be Hebdon Sound? Cardioid and possibly hyper - not shotguns. Jez Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronFilm Posted September 16, 2017 Report Share Posted September 16, 2017 On 9/15/2017 at 2:37 AM, Nathaniel Robinson said: That would be a very off-putting conversation to have with a director. To have all of my equipment decisions (based on actual use and careful discrimination) immediately up-ended by someone who read about a mic somewhere online.... Would throw up so many red flags! Don't know if they'd be easy to work with.... :-o Could be a difficult time on set trying to do your job with them interfering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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